Jemmy"Maybe we should participate in democracy?" - Known Shitlib Rosa Luxemburg (voted down by the KPD)
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Explanation: In January 1919, the Weimar Republic, born only a few months ago from socialist revolutionaries who overthrew the old German monarchy and negotiated an end to WW1, experienced an attempt to overthrow it - the Spartacus Uprising. The initial government was dominated by the SPD - a long-established party of Social Democrats and Democratic Socialists in Germany - and organized elections to be held in Germany in late January, in which the KPD - the German Communist Party, split from the SPD several years earlier - was able to participate.
Participation was not enough for the KPD. Thinking that they could take power without having to bother with ‘bourgeois democracy’, they opted at first to call for a demonstration against what they (and many Berlin workers) saw as overreach by the SPD-dominated provisional government. As turnout was greater than expected, many radicals believed that not only would they be able to bypass ‘bourgeois democracy’ with their current strength, negotiating power-sharing through a general strike, but that they could outright seize the government entirely through force of (the People’s™) arms. They made a call to violence, and to overthrow the provisional government of the socialists in the SPD.
Rosa Luxemburg, a prominent member of the KPD, voted against the insurrectionary idea, despite not being the biggest fan of ‘bourgeois democracy’ herself. She pointed out that the KPD could not take power in either way without the support of a majority of the working class - something which they did not currently have. Her position was the minority in the KPD, but not, it would seem, the minority position of German workers, whose demonstrations very quickly changed from anti-SPD to shaming the KPD as well for endorsing a fratricidal war between the working class.
The SPD and KPD attempted negotiations again at this point, with the provisional government demanding the SPD newspapers that were occupied by KPD partisans be allowed to resume operations, and the KPD demanding the reinstatement of the chief of police in Berlin, whom the SPD believed to have cooperated with the KPD in a military kidnapping-turned-bloody back in December. Neither side budged.
Fighting broke out, and the SPD’s government forces - assisted by right-wing paramilitaries formed of recently-discharged WW1 veterans, ‘Freikorps’, who answered more to their officers than the central government - would win without much serious fighting. Unfortunately, the bloodshed would not immediately end there, as the aforementioned right-wing Freikorps took the opportunity to murder numerous leftist activists in Berlin before they could be transferred to government holding, including Rosa Luxemburg.
The KPD, in-line with its anti-electoralist stance so-decided during the Spartacist Revolt, decided to boycott the first elections of Weimar Germany a week later, leading to a voter turnout of 83%, and left-wing parties in the legislature acquiring 46% of the vote. In other words, just under a majority for the most important constitutional negotiations of the newborn German republic’s life.
Good going.
The Freikorps would be disbanded at the point of a gun after the Weimar government found its initial footing, but the uneasy truce between the (largely conservative and right-wing) army and the (generally left or liberal) civilian government never really resolved itself. The KPD would eventually cooperate with other socialist parties throughout the first half of the 1920s, resulting in some left-wing gains, but the KPD would again reverse to an anti-SPD position under the tenure of Ernst Thalmann, a KPD party leader who closely followed the orders of the Soviet Union’s strongman at the time - Joseph Stalin. This sorry state would eventually lead to the rise of the Nazis as the ineffectual liberal-conservative governments of Weimar Germany flailed about and the SPD failed to win an outright majority without the need for a broader coalition - which the KPD was not willing to offer.
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Explanation: In January 1919, the Weimar Republic, born only a few months ago from socialist revolutionaries who overthrew the old German monarchy and negotiated an end to WW1, experienced an attempt to overthrow it - the Spartacus Uprising. The initial government was dominated by the SPD - a long-established party of Social Democrats and Democratic Socialists in Germany - and organized elections to be held in Germany in late January, in which the KPD - the German Communist Party, split from the SPD several years earlier - was able to participate.
Participation was not enough for the KPD. Thinking that they could take power without having to bother with ‘bourgeois democracy’, they opted at first to call for a demonstration against what they (and many Berlin workers) saw as overreach by the SPD-dominated provisional government. As turnout was greater than expected, many radicals believed that not only would they be able to bypass ‘bourgeois democracy’ with their current strength, negotiating power-sharing through a general strike, but that they could outright seize the government entirely through force of (the People’s™) arms. They made a call to violence, and to overthrow the provisional government of the socialists in the SPD.
Rosa Luxemburg, a prominent member of the KPD, voted against the insurrectionary idea, despite not being the biggest fan of ‘bourgeois democracy’ herself. She pointed out that the KPD could not take power in either way without the support of a majority of the working class - something which they did not currently have. Her position was the minority in the KPD, but not, it would seem, the minority position of German workers, whose demonstrations very quickly changed from anti-SPD to shaming the KPD as well for endorsing a fratricidal war between the working class.
The SPD and KPD attempted negotiations again at this point, with the provisional government demanding the SPD newspapers that were occupied by KPD partisans be allowed to resume operations, and the KPD demanding the reinstatement of the chief of police in Berlin, whom the SPD believed to have cooperated with the KPD in a military kidnapping-turned-bloody back in December. Neither side budged.
Fighting broke out, and the SPD’s government forces - assisted by right-wing paramilitaries formed of recently-discharged WW1 veterans, ‘Freikorps’, who answered more to their officers than the central government - would win without much serious fighting. Unfortunately, the bloodshed would not immediately end there, as the aforementioned right-wing Freikorps took the opportunity to murder numerous leftist activists in Berlin before they could be transferred to government holding, including Rosa Luxemburg.
The KPD, in-line with its anti-electoralist stance so-decided during the Spartacist Revolt, decided to boycott the first elections of Weimar Germany a week later, leading to a voter turnout of 83%, and left-wing parties in the legislature acquiring 46% of the vote. In other words, just under a majority for the most important constitutional negotiations of the newborn German republic’s life.
Good going.
The Freikorps would be disbanded at the point of a gun after the Weimar government found its initial footing, but the uneasy truce between the (largely conservative and right-wing) army and the (generally left or liberal) civilian government never really resolved itself. The KPD would eventually cooperate with other socialist parties throughout the first half of the 1920s, resulting in some left-wing gains, but the KPD would again reverse to an anti-SPD position under the tenure of Ernst Thalmann, a KPD party leader who closely followed the orders of the Soviet Union’s strongman at the time - Joseph Stalin. This sorry state would eventually lead to the rise of the Nazis as the ineffectual liberal-conservative governments of Weimar Germany flailed about and the SPD failed to win an outright majority without the need for a broader coalition - which the KPD was not willing to offer.
Huh. Reminds me of the Portuguese revolution of ‘74. There’s a fun interview that the communist party leader gave to an Italian journalist whose name I cannot remember ever essentially saying that yes, the communists were allowing for that lil spectacle of elections to go on, but that the real power, held in the streets and by the military was theirs. Expecting an outright majority…. They had 15% of the votes for the constitutional assembly.
Some days I feel overconfidence has killed more revolutions than reactionaries
“Ok so the material conditions aren’t quite right but I’m pretty sure if we just run in with enough guns it will work out”
Class traitor is when you hold elections?
Didnt you say in your own summary that Luxemburg was in favor of participating in the elections lmao?
Yes. What exactly was the course of action the SPD was pursuing in post-Kaiser Germany that was “being a dogshit class traitor” before the KPD attempted their anti-democratic coup?
How about keeping and collaborating with the OHL? Also you literally mention in your summary that many people saw the SPD overreach, which upset many Germans and was why the Sparacists thought they had the popularity to overthrow the government. Like they literally hadnt paided sailors, and responded to the those sailors with lethal force
Your proposal for the unsteady post-WW1 government is to…
… start a civil war (or, more likely, a much more neat and quick coup) with the military apparatus that has spent the past four years building a monstrous strength that even other well-organized nation-states have had trouble dealing with?
… you do remember that in the Russian Revolution, the army was already on the side of the socialists, right? Not against them?
I also mention what the overreach was - a military response to a kidnapping of an SPD official - but I see you need more context.
A month after the revolution happened the naval troops took Otto Wels, the official put in charge of the Berlin garrison. He insisted that he did not have the authority to pay out the wages that the naval troops had agreed with an entirely different party, unbeknownst to him or the rest of the government, and that he would have to wait for a reply from the central government to give an answer on the subject of when the new government could pay the troops their back pay.
For this terrible crime, they kidnapped him, beat him, threatened his life, seized the telephone lines in Berlin (which they were supposed to be guarding from seizure), and made the demand to the central government directly.
The central government responded initially by agreeing in negotiations to give the sailors their requisite backpay, but continue with the planned reduction of the force (which must have seemed more important than ever given their very fucking recent actions) which the sailors considered insufficient to yield.
For that reason, the remains of the regular army were resorted to in order to reclaim the building the naval infantry were supposed to be guarding, and Otto Wels, an action which ended once the building was vacated and control of the telephone lines reverted to the government.
TRULY, an abhorrent course of action by the SPD! Surely, they should have just given in to all the demands of a military force which had proved itself able and willing to kidnap socialist government officials and make claim to the nation’s vital infrastructure in order to achieve their demands.
Of course, what people at the time saw was the new government firing on revolutionary troops instead of ‘simply’ negotiating while communication lines through half the fucking country are choked by military action. So they considered it overreach - and from their position, not unreasonably so.
Those of us who live in the modern day and have the benefit of hindsight and the full knowledge of events as they went down should maybe be a little more fucking circumspect about condemning the SPD as class fucking traitors over December 1918 and January 1919.
First of all, I don’t acre what the Russian Revolution did. The Bolsheviks are pieces of shit and destroyed workers movements against their authoritarianism, like the Kronstadt Rebellion, and the Russian and Ukrainian anarchists usch as the Nabat. Yes I think holding those that perpetuated the atrocity that is World War 1 should be held accountable. And I aint gonna dodge that the Spartacists did things wrong, but I still stand that they would have been better for Germany. Like the CNT-FAI committed horrible atrocities to percieved reactionaries and particularly the church, and I am critical of that but still supportive of the CNT-FAI in their overall movement. Members of the Ukrainian Black Army committed heinous crimes against the Mennonites. We learn from the mistakes of the past. Don’t wanna see you praising John Brown if this is how you gonna treat the Spartacists and Rosa Luxemburg. Germany needed more radical change and the SPD were by no means equipped to deal with that, instead choosing to collaborate with reactionaries to maintain their power. Yeah I am going to support the revolutionaries in securing a workers government, and not the spicy liberals who use nationalist paramilitaries to crush leftist uprisings. They literally made a deal with the OHL to suppress leftist uprisings to gain their support. That is tossing radical leftists under the bus to gain the support of imperialists! And yeah I am going to look at things the way the people saw things at the time, they didnt have the information I do now so I will analyze the situation under both my own lens and theirs.
Grassroots workers democracy wasnt and isnt gonna come from electoral politics. It will come from directly instituting it within the local communities. Why let a bunch of politicians vote away a socialist government when you can use direct action to implement yourself? Why the fuck would I play their game? Playing their game with the interim government was a losing battle, and I wish they did it just to prove it as such.
Now I am done engaging with this because I do not feel it is productive and I am too heated over it. Bad for my mental health. Have a good day/night.