Fuck me, there goes one of the best leftist initiatives of this century

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Fuck me, there goes one of the best leftist initiatives of this century
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by Normie Infiltrator OP depth: 1

Explanation: Fuck me, strap in, this is a wild ride.

Alright, shortest possible version of events: Rojava is an ethnically Kurdish dominated polity in northeast Syria that formed during the war against the Assad regime. Despite being Kurdish, it officially proclaimed, and to at least some degree provided, ethnic equality with Arabs and other Syrian minorities. On top of that, it was a radical and decentralized leftist initiative with significant success, both military and economic.

Nonetheless, it is a relatively small part of Syria, and many of the outlaying regions, dominated by Syrian Arabs, were not particular partisans of Rojava so much as reluctant to return under the Assad regime. When the Assad regime fell, many in Rojava were shocked that many of these people were happy to return to the more ‘traditional’ central government instead of keeping with the great project which had provided security and economic survival in a period of chaos.

After a period of tension, an agreement was reached between the central government, itself unsteady and exercising only loose control over the various militias that made up the Syrian Civil War, and Rojava. In it, Rojava was guaranteed a certain level of autonomy, and would have Rojava officers placed in high spots in the new national Syrian army. In addition, Rojava would be given control over several mid-sized military units to staff and organize as they saw fit. It was less than Rojava originally aimed for, but for a time it seemed like a compromise both sides could live with.

After a series of attacks by local militias on Rojava, Rojava accused the central government of manipulating local militias to attack them, and demanded more robust security guarantees from the central government. The central government responded with denials and accusations that Rojava was just seeking to escalate its claims during a period of instability, with Israel bombing Syria and using Druze militias in the south to attack the central Syrian government. There have been constant skirmishes since, with neither side looking particularly interested in restarting any kind of civil war so much as attempting to bluster the other side into backing down.

With the new Syrian government interested in good relations with the US, it’s likely that Rojava, which previously enjoyed US support, would be in a stronger position… only the Trump regime came out and said that it has no interest in Rojava. Which is unsurprising, since Trump pushed hard to abandon the Kurds in Syria during his first term too.

Over the past few days, Arab militias in many outlying Arab majority areas of Rojava have risen up and, in the course of fighting with Rojava’s forces, caused them to withdraw, primarily by the rapid and unexpected positioning of militia fighters rather than prolonged combat. The forces of Rojava have withdrawn primarily to consolidate and form a plan that doesn’t involve entire units of their’s being surrounded by hostile militias, which is a very bad position to be in, rather than being battered or beaten back. The central government took the withdrawal of Rojava as an opportunity to take large amounts of those outlying areas without firing a shot.

Whether the central government was always fucking with Rojava and stalling for time and the militias are legitimately catspaws of the government, or Rojava overplayed its hand in rejecting implementing the compromise it originally agreed to is largely a matter of opinion.

Forgive me for such a ’neutral’ position, but I’m of the opinion that both sides had entirely justified mistrust towards one another. The central government is probably enthusiastically taking this opportunistically to ‘reclaim’ the territory for central government control instead of ‘giving up’ autonomy to the region. However, they also may not have instigated local militias, many of which had previously quarreled with Rojava, the original cause of nonimplementation of the compromise agreement, as their ‘control’ over the country is nominal at best, and doubly so when regarding the many local militia forces who have loosely reaffiliated themselves with the successful central government after Assad’s fall.

What looks certain at this point is that Rojava’s bargaining position is much reduced, and the government may feel its own hand is strong enough now to not bother trying to negotiate a second compromise. This is an extremely sad day for leftist hopes and dreams. Rojava was extremely successful and built on high ideals, which it largely lived up to. At best, its influence will be greatly reduced compared to what it was looking like before. At worst, the Syrian central government will dismantle it entirely.

Most of the territory it lost wasn’t ethnic Kurdish anyway



@PugJesus I see people celebrating and dancing on the streets in the news. Seems like both sides were not so friendly to some minorities?

by Normie Infiltrator OP depth: 2

Less about hostility to ethnic minorities, and more that much of the Syrian Arab population under Rojava’s control was with them for the past ~decade more out of a “We don’t want to go back to Assad” than any belief in the idea of revolutionary and radical Rojava, so a return to a central Syrian government of a more ‘traditional’ sort is a reason for celebration for them.

@PugJesus when looking at old maps like 1922 Kurdistan then Kurds are more in turkey and Iraq region and only bits in Syria. Hope they one day also get free from the ottoman empire and Sultan Erdogan.



Is it not possible the people celebrating are in fact arab islamists who would benefit more from an arab islamist government than a pluralistic, secular, and egalitarian one? Not saying what your saying is impossible, there have been reports of Rojava militias attacking civilians. I am just suggesting that while its possible the people are celebrating because Rojava is possibly oppressive, it is also possible they are celebrating because they get to be the oppressors. Plus both could be true at once.

I say this because look at Venezuela. The US government has tried to spin the narrative that the Venezuelan people are happy with the coup, when in reality celebrations celebrating it were small and they also manipulated photos to make protests look like celebrations.



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