JemmyMercedes-Benz may be shut out of U.S. market under bill aimed at Chinese automaker ownership
https://www.cnbc.com/2026/05/29/mercedes-benz-ban-congressional-bill-china-ownership.html
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Bozzella wrote China’s strategy to “dominate global automotive manufacturing” poses “a clear and present danger to American economic and national security.”
It threatens the hegemony of the fossil fuel car industry. If America would allow chinese cars, no one in their right mind, would buy an American gas gusler.
Another area where the US is left behind compared to the rest of the world. The speed run towards the bottom is endless.
BTW the CEO of Ford is driving a Xiaomi SU7 that he refuses to give as it’s the best car he’s ever driven.
Equality is only for the rich, bitches.
He drove the SU7 for half a year to understand what was being done elsewhere.
He chose it over Tesla because he acknowledged they were innovating.
I think you’re over analyzing what is otherwise clever marketing from the head of an automaker signaling they intend to innovate in new ways, praising your “competition” is a sound strategy.
Anyways, competition is good, china catching up is a good thing.
DraconicSunCatching up? Their cars are straight up better, everyone is buying BYD cars everywhere they’re sold because they’re actually excellent vehicles. Hell, brazilians, who are known for not having any sort of money whatsoever, are saving up or financing them cause the amount of money saved on gas pays for the extra price of the car within like an year.
neat, I’m not interested in shaking dicks about who has the better team.
The fact of the matter is that the US market is shutting out competition because they know they would be completely fucked if they allowed BYD/Geely there. They’re gonna turn themselves into Cuba with old cars that can’t be repaired.
Are you familiar with Chinese restrictions on their domestic market? Why do they think they deserve unrestricted access to the US and other markets when they do not extend that same privilege to their own market?
Pretty much every Western car company is allowed in China, they just have to obey local laws. I don’t think they ban entire car brands based on political bullshit.
Or as much of the rest of the world views the Chinese international model: flooding the market with “impossibly” cheap products, being a loss leader everywhere to kill the competition.
What the USA is doing is equally anti-competitive.
So now that the two leading narratives around the Chinese automotive market have been laid out here I still have no interest in shaking dicks about which is right/better.
More competition is good, China catching up ( or even being light years ahead as apologists proclaim ) is a good thing.
In 2023 the top selling car in Europe was American. In 2024 that car is still the 4th best selling. With Dacia, Renault and VW being in 1 2 3 respectively.
The American market isn’t being shut out, they still have a stranglehold on the continent and their subsidiaries sell quite well in Europe.
It’s good that China is catching up.
I’m not a China apologist, they’re literally more capitalist than the US because of that Deng cunt. And yes, I know that is their idea, Uber and Doordash did the same thing, but at this point American car companies deserve to go out of business.
Ford sells globally though, even if BYD is legislated out of the US market, they still need to compete everywhere else - to the point where they teamed up with VW to sell a sedan in EU that they don’t offer in NA.
LemmyoutofhereCatching up? China is miles ahead in regards to EV’s and innovation. And not just in that area. Luckily the western mind is still set in the China copies , China bad, China shit quality mindset, except the people who have visited China and see advancement across the board.
chinese spyware integrated into todays smart vehicles doesnt sound like something anyone wants
American spyware created by the CIA: “Aww, you’re sweet”
Chinese spyware: “HELLO, HUMAN RESOURCES???”
(both are bad. but pretending one is worse than the other is stupid)
Yes. Palantir, meta, Google, Amazon, openAI are leading US examples of valuing users privacy.
Plus that spyware myth is propaganda to convince the ignorant citizens to avoid anything Chinese but put your faith in American spyware solutions. Think about the F16 fighters and their kill switch.
Ugh every single time someone posts one of these articles, people in the comments act like American auto manufacturers are some monolithic entity when in reality there are only 3 American companies remaining (GM, Ford, and Tesla) and they don’t even make a majority of the cars sold on the road here and one sells nothing but EVs.
The automotive market here is mostly comprised of foreign auto makers and none of them can compete with the shady economics of Chinese EVs just like their American counterparts. What you’re arguing for here is for the Walmart or Amazon of car manufacturing to take over and create a monopoly. Once they create that monopoly, they will 100% leverage it to their advantage and raise prices sky high. Then you’ll be complaining about all the people out of work and sky high prices on cars and demand that something be done about it. How about using a little bit of knowledge and foresight to stop it before it even starts.
What you’re describing has already happened in the US and China entering the market would break it. But since it’s western car companies doing it you don’t have an issue with it.
Oh, and most of those new Chinese EVs are actually way, way higher quality than even European brands.
What you’re describing has already happened in the US and China entering the market would break it.
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Please elaborate on how the market being divided amongst dozens of brands from nations all over the world is the same as a single, powerful entity like Amazon or Walmart controlling the entire market?
Some of the best selling cars here come from Japanese and South Korean companies, but go on with this nonsense about western companies (did you move the goal posts? I thought it was American companies just one comment ago) controlling everything. Are Japan and SK “western” countries now?
Oh, and most of those new Chinese EVs are actually way, way higher quality than even European brands.
Whoa, cool. What do you define as “quality” exactly? Most of the luxury European vehicles need very expensive maintenance on a regular basis to stay road worthy. I don’t consider over-engineering and ‘premium’ materials to be a sign of quality, I consider it a sign of marketing manipulation.
Please elaborate on how the market being divided amongst dozens of brands from nations all over the world is the same as a single, powerful entity like Amazon or Walmart controlling the entire market?
Because they’re a cartel. Next question. Brazil had a similar issue with all the big worldwide brands essentially colluding to keep prices high until the Chinese EVs crashed the market and forced them to bring prices down and offer better customer support.
What do you define as “quality” exactly?
Those Chinese EVs are actually quite simple to fix and maintain. The only issue really is getting the parts, but at least in Brazil, they have plenty of spares they imported directly from the Chinese mainland to help fix those vehicles. And in the event you go to their shop and your car needs a part that isn’t available, they’ll import said part for you and pay all of the fees - you just pay for the part and labor.
Because they’re a cartel.
“Because I’ll say anything to be right even if it doesn’t have any basis in reality”
Those Chinese EVs are actually quite simple to fix and maintain
Every EV is simple to fix and maintain because they’re much more simple than ICE vehicles. This isn’t anything inherent to Chinese EVs in particular.
“Because I’ll say anything to be right even if it doesn’t have any basis in reality”
Try buying a new car right now in the US. You’ll be in a rabbit hole so deep it’ll reach the Earth’s core.
So, capitalism is bad or what? Just tell Western companies to lock in and stop fucking around. You only convinced me to consider a Chinese EV even more, because you have no evidence they will enshittify other than your negative vibes about China. Western ones, in the other hand, are already enshittified. I highly doubt a Monopoly will ever happen, you make it sound like absolutely all car companies will disappear, as if they won’t be able to adapt, like capitalism dictates they will.
What western companies? You guys keep trying to claim every country that builds cars is a “western” country. Are Toyota and Kia western companies? Nissan? Honda? Hyundai?
You only convinced me to consider a Chinese EV even more, because you have no evidence they will enshittify other than your negative vibes about China.
“No evidence” other than literally every “market disruptor” and monopoly in existence.
I highly doubt a Monopoly will ever happen
Oh, well if your feelings lead you to believe that then it must be true. You’ve certainly provided no evidence or reasoning why they wouldn’t completely take over when they’re undercutting everyone else on the planet with their bottemless pockets.
you make it sound like absolutely all car companies will disappear, as if they won’t be able to adapt, like capitalism dictates they will.
China controls the world’s rare earth resources. They control the lithium. They directly fund these companies and the development of these vehicles. They use slave labor. They have lax environmental protections. How do you expect any other company to compete against that? You can’t just waive your hand around and claim it’s a matter of will for other companies to compete against one of the most powerful governments on the planet.
They directly fund these companies and the development of these vehicles. They use slave labor. They have lax environmental protections.
So does every single Western car company, bucko. If you want everything to be fine and dandy you’d have to move past capitalism.
Also, “Western” usually means “country that is part of NATO”.
Your feelings think they will do evil in the future just because, my feelings say they won’t, because China understands the importance of pleasing other countries, they are not like America who constantly seeks to profit off death like in Gaza. China is shady, but not as much as you are painting them to be. I’d say the same if it was America, at some point, countries will complain about that monopoly and shit will have to be done about it.
All companies control their own rare patents and resources, all of them use slave labor as well, and meddle with the law through the congressmen they funded with their mega donations. The oil lobby and car lobby constantly share the same whores and drugs in the yatch. The fact they couldn’t keep up with China in innovation says more about them than China. If they are not winning the people, then they deserve to lose and disappear forever, because they fucking suck, according to the people themselves who voted with their wallet, their money, period. Skill issue, get good or get eaten.
By the way, I thought the most powerful government on the planet was the USA, I am glad that finally changed. I rather China be under the spotlight, not a country ran by a pedophile.
This is what capitalism is. Deal with it, or start supporting socialism and communism so the people can own the means of production, so laws listen to the people’s interests and not some few billionaires’. Otherwise, we will keep getting monopolies everywhere.
Mercedes will 100% find a way to make this seem like ‘exclusivity’ and the demand will increase.
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This post I saw yesterday on Bluesky is gonna age like fine wine, it seems. It will be 2040 and most of the cars on US roads will still be from 2000’s and 2010’s because dipshit politicians paid by Ford and GM will ban everything else.
In Cuba the old cars are meticulously maintained, though. In the US it will be all rusty old death traps.
[Seriously though, the bad economy is already turning the roads into this. The number of frighteningly unmaintained and crashed-but-not-repaired cars is noticeably increasing lately.]
This description already applies to new Cybertrucks.
Rusty new deathtraps
They don’t rust, they burn.
Do you not have mandatory checks for cars in the US? Here you have to go to a certified mechanic’s shop within 4 years after the car is first registered and every 2 years after that. They check brakes, steering, emissions and lights and if you fail any of those checks you are not allowed to drive that car until you get it fixed.
Depends heavily on the state, but even inspections in the strictest states do not compare to the ones in Europe. Some states have no inspections whatsoever.
hence for the gas-guzzlers for the small pp, and for soccer mom karens, large suvs.
Depends on the state, and how eagerly and effectively they enforce it.
When I was a kid my state had yearly inspections, but that was stopped like 25 years ago. Occasionally you still see one of the green stickers on the windshield of an old car.
My state recently did away with annual inspections. It used to be required before you could renew your annual license plate registration. They’d do exactly what you said: check brakes, lights, emissions, steering, dashboard lights, etc and you had to pass all of them. Now none of that is required, because “small government” or some other BS.
So yeah, now we have a ton of screaming metal death traps on the road, because *of course we do*. Normally those cars would get failed at inspection if they were missing all of their brake lights. Now it will only be discovered when they get rear-ended. And wrecked cars that wouldn’t otherwise be legal are suddenly driving all over the place, because they can still technically get from A to B… They just don’t do it *safely*.
All I can attest to is in Virginia, yes, in Michigan, no.
37/50 states, no. I avoid Michigan highways.
Not in most states. only 13/50. Cars crash on failures, wheels fly off and kill, brakes fail, no one gives a fuck.
There are different kinds of “old cars”, the kind of old cars made before 70s that are really inefficient with gasoline, but might last another hundred years if maintained, and the kind of old cars made up to 90s that are harder to keep from falling apart, and then the kind made later, which is - not really for future generations.
The more optimized their production is and the less luxurious they are as a thing, the closer they are to something that’ll only last their guaranteed time. Preferably for the producer - falling apart into rust a couple of days after that.
By the 80s the Mercedes mechanical injection diesel engined cars were capable of a million+ miles if maintained at all, that was a major business mistake (killing your new unit sales because all your customers already have good cars) which they slowly reversed across the next 20 years. Now they make disposables like everybody else.
The whole global auto industry should be incentivized to go back to that “runs forever” design focus of the Mercedes W123 series and improve on it with more longevity, cheaper serviceability. Efficiency and emissions don’t mean much when you’re scrapping the whole 5000lbs of automobile every 10 years.
That works when the car itself is something produced in small batches and a very capital design and costs accordingly, or when its maintenance makes bank and for the producer at that, or when there’s continued growth, so you don’t sell new cars to people with old cars.
I mean, of course there’s the variant of cars being as modular as PCs and a Mercedes of Theseus being possible. Always profitable for the producer, since from time to time the customer buys spare parts (a law is necessary that it’s legal to make and sell spare parts for anyone ; just like with Apple stuff, official things will be more popular), and never just fully going to junk at once. Seems the most realistic variant for me, economically, of the good ones.
There’s another variant, a dystopian one, being implemented in fact, where car producers own you via parts pairing, planned obsolescence, parts barely surviving guarantee age and impeded repair and telemetry, all at once.
Without ability to put pressure almost like in war, the modular variant would be the equilibrium, unfortunately we the humanity haven’t yet adjusted our societies for computers (no need for a more complex description).
Tesla literally private labels its batteries from China and is directly pattered with the PRC via this arrangement with CATL. Such bullshit
The US has lost the ability to act in its own interest. Run, flee! I promise it will all get worse soon.
Sure, but where to?
Do. It. Do a flip. I want to see China buy a bunch of stock in publically traded American Automakers. Just so those automakers get forced out of the market too. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
While the article focuses on Mercedes-Benz, as a Volvo owner, I was immediately concerned about what will happen when my lease is up.
Buried at the bottom of the article are these three paragraphs:
Don’t worry, they’ll just give the Mustard Mussolini the first Mercedes-Benz Peace Prize and get an exception.
mustard mussolini 😂
I assume it’ll go the same way as the Chinese router ban, and there will be loopholes for the Special Favorites, probably totally unrelated to any monetary contributions to Trump’s circle.
I hate this underhanded bullshit, build better cars. Competition is healthy in the market and seeing manufacturers push to ban the Chinese market just because they can’t compete is bullshit.
US businesses eagerly gave up the American manufacturing sector when it meant they didn’t have to pay American wages anymore in the 90s. Now that China is cutting out US business itself, they’re all up in arms.
I call it the great illusion of “globalism for thee but not for me”.
The managerial class in the Western world championed globalized trade, outsourcing, and open markets under the assumption that only low skilled, blue collar workers would face market disruption. When that happened, the working class was told to “retrain for the digital age”, in other words “deal with it, not our problem nor responsibility”.
This credentialed elite mistakenly believed that their specialized degrees, cognitive skills, and institutional placement rendered them permanently immune to the same forces of automation, offshoring, and global competition they so eagerly unleashed on others.
That illusion is shattering today for several macroeconomic and structural reasons, the original architecture of globalism, as engineered in the 80s, completely failed to anticipate the modern shifts redefining our world, the total digitization of the economy through the internet, foreign competitors like China bypassing Western credentialized gatekeeping entirely to scale up the value chain, and the rise of automation also eroding the premium on cognitive labor.
In the end, they’re just reaping what they sow.
Wages are not the problem. It’s US healthcare costs. This is why the Mexican and Canadian auto sectors exist.
GM spends $17M a year on Viagra.
less douches driving those in the USA.