JemmyICE Can Now Enter Your Home Without a Warrant to Look for Migrants, DOJ Memo Says
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It reminds me of the one scene in Inglorious Bastards:
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Remember, none of this is restricted to actual gang members.
If they can deport anyone who is a member of a Venezuelan gang to a prison camp without trial then, oops, turns out everyone they don't like is a member of a Venezuelan gang.
You can prove you're not? Too bad. That would require a trial. You don't get one of those, because we say you're a member of a Venezuelan gang.
See how this works?
ICE are Trump's sturmabteilung. If he's allowed to get away with any of this, it will not be long before he starts turning them on anyone who openly disagrees with him.
Garcia was deported to El Salvador with alleged Venezuelan gang members, but he wasnt Venezuelan, so they just declared him MS-13 instead.
Facts dont matter, they'll just create "alternative facts" that fit their narrative.
This.
Since Due Process is no longer a thing, anybody can immediately be called an enemy of the state.
For conservatives: say something bad about Biden? Guess what? MAGA is now a gang and you will end up in El Salvador. No proof needed.
All they have to do is follow the law. Law says they can call anyone a terrorist or national security threat and that removes people's rights. This has been law for years. Now, Republicans are using it because they know they will not get in trouble.
You don't have to be in a gang. They will say standing outside of a Home Depot is a lawful reason to send you to a South American gulag. Because Republicans will not get in trouble.
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Øπ3ŕThat's if they let you live long enough to make it to trial, nevermind afterward. 😶
I've resisted, all this time, getting a gun because I have a history of depression and I didn't want one in the house
however, given I have the blessing of castle doctrine in my state I'm really starting to think getting one might be the smarter decision. at least I might get to go out on my own terms.
You have to weigh the likelihood of a warrantless raid versus another bout of heavy depression.
I'm in the middle of a bout of heavy depression right now, I just want to live long enough to outlive my close family, namely my parents. They shouldn't have to sit through my funeral.
Being gay and neurodivergent, though, I don't think I have that long in this country. And I have no method to escape.
Suicide ain't it, neighbor. Sincerely. Not even suicide by cop.
If you need to talk, I'm here. Feel free to DM or reply here, I'm around. 🤘🏼
Don't kill yourself that's just giving them what they want. Existence is resistance.
sorry but if the choice is between "going quietly with the men from the government" for being an undesirable, and just ending it there and then, I'm choosing the gun. I've suffered enough where I am.
skulblakaLuckily, as a firearm owner the choice then becomes "go quietly with the men who claim to be from the government", or to cancel the home invaders' life subscription. Especially in a castle doctrine state. If they can't or won't show identification then you have carte blanche to start blasting. Not only that but doing so is a morally good act.
Hey. One of my best friends was gay and had depression. He came from a very religious family and struggled with both of these things his entire life. Then he got sick and didn't seek treatment for a medical issue that was curable but fatal if untreated. He died. I think he chose not to seek treatment because it was an out that he didn't have to affirmatively choose.
The world is a worse place without him. It’s been 3 years and I still think about him almost every day. Please find a better solution.
I hope you manage to survive this, i really do, but if you finally decide you cant handle it any longer, use it to strike back decisively in a focused way that protects the innocent and hurts the Nazis.
I'm so sorry that i have to write that. I am also coming to grips that at my age, i am realizing that my story may have a twist ending that i never suspected. If anything happens to my son (also part of vulnerable communities), i will become a very dangerous person.
jordanlundIt varies state by state, and sometimes by municipality.
"According to the memo, agents can break into a home if getting a warrant is “impracticable,” and they don’t need a judge’s approval."
Here in Oregon:
https://oregon.public.law/statutes/ors_161.219
"a person is not justified in using deadly physical force upon another person unless the person reasonably believes that the other person is:
(1) Committing or attempting to commit a felony involving the use or threatened imminent use of physical force against a person; or
(2) Committing or attempting to commit a burglary in a dwelling; or
(3) Using or about to use unlawful deadly physical force against a person. [1971 c.743 §23]"
"According to the memo, agents can break into a home if getting a warrant is “impracticable,” and they don’t need a judge’s approval."
It’s almost as if the War on Drugs was being used as a pretense to up state power for years, and now we have police-military kitted out and trained (Cop City) to slaughter protesters in the street.
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Yup. If it's my house, it falls under #2, my neighbors house would fall under #1.
1 would absolutely apply. I believe this to be a felony, and they're sure as hell going to use force if they need to. 3 probably also applies to many people. They'd believe they would be willing to use deadly force, especially if they show up with weapons drawn.
If LEOs can say they believe they were in danger when someone isn't nice enough to them or whatever, surely when armed men come to your door, without a warrant, and force entry, that's enough to believe they're going to use deadly force.
They WANT trouble, in as many ways as possible. That will allow him to justify imposing Martial Law, and suspend elections.
He has a razor thin majority in Congress, with the 2016 midtetm election ahead (which is shaping up to be a bloodbath), and he can't afford to lose either chamber, which would give Dems control of investigative committees with subpoena and arrest powers.
He wants violence, and he will be instigating it in as many ways as possible.
FrjttrWe’d all wish that. But, unfortunately, that’s not the case with US citizens. After all, they could get rid of him in some way or another (see JFK).
Exactly my thought. If they try to enter without a warrant then we have the right to protect ourselves, right? If the "2A" people have ever cared about logical consistency (which I won't accuse them of) this is where it applies more than almost any other case.
Just wanted to add that since ICE agents are just walking around doing shit without identifying themselves, anyone could walk into your house and rob/rape/murder you while claiming to be ICE if you resist.
Just want to make it clear that this opens up a whole lot of home invasions.
Kookie215Exactly! have no warrants and don't identify themselves; they don't even have a uniform or badges. I do not care who they say they are, anyone can say they are ICE to get into my home. Do we honestly believe that people are not going to do that? Like be real, this is a flashing beacon of hope to criminals.
This is a blatant violation of the 4th amendment, and the cure for it is the 2nd amendment.
Americans are pussies, they won’t stand up violently against this
America is one of the most violent countries on Earth. The Tipping Point is coming. It will get very violent before its over.
KingPorkChopThey're happy killing each other for no reason. They're wimps when it comes to standing up for their rights.
They won't do shit and the country is going to fall.
Jolly PlatypusWaiting for the first story of a shootout.
Well that'll be interesting in all of those stand your ground states.
HiphoppedhorrahThis is going to go over great in a country that prides itself on unrestricted firearms for home and personal protection 🫣
Guy IngonitoThey would love nothing more than a few ice agents getting shot to justify an even harsher show of force in the future
RubberElectrons
Any local administrator that signs in for this, is guilty of treason. This administration is guilty, conclusively, now of treason. Why isn't it being removed? What's all this about checks and balances? Seems like the people invoking the alien enemies acts have become, themselves alien enemies.
Do the Americans really want USA to be a fascist gestapo country?
How exactly do the methods of Trumps regime reflect a society that values freedom?
MAGA's society is one where white people rule and set the laws. Right now, the target is brown people but it won't stay that way for long. East Asians will be the next cause of issues with China.
No, white people are no safer than anyone else, they are just lower on the priority list. They'll get to us standard issue white folks eventually.
Only the wealthy will be safe from the government, and that does not include the mere rich. If you think you are safe because you have a net worth of a few million bucks, you are deluding yourself. You are just another poor rube to the truly wealthy, and when all the profit has been wrung out of the poor, working class, and middle class, theyll go after the merely rich.
CorkyskogIt won't matter how much money you have, it will be loyalty based like Russia. Get on the wrong side and they will strip your assets and disappear you. It's just hasn't built up to that point yet.
MAGA’s society is one where white people rule and set the laws.
Absolutely, but it was not only white people who voted Trump in, a lot of Latinos and Hispanics also voted for him, and they are absolutely targets already!
Remember when we were told that kids had to keep dying so we could be allowed to keep guns in our home in case the government decides to break down our doors one day??? Member that? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
No way, do you mean all that 2nd amendment talk was just marketing to sell more guns!?
So I really dislike having guns in the home since I have young children. At this point I'm willing to consider it. I don't have a room for a massive gun safe and nor do I know what gun to get for home defense. What resources are out there to help me find a starting point?
If you are uncertain what type of gun to get for home defense, id strongly recommend taking training courses before considering. They'll help you get comfortable with one that works for you and your use cases.
General:
https://theliberalgunclub.com/
Black resources:
https://www.blackgirlsshoot.org/
https://naaga.co/
Lgbtq resources:
https://www.pinkpistols.org/
https://www.blazingsword.org/
If you're in a city/state without resources, connect with those websites. You might be able to start your own chapter.
Em AdespotonWhat gun will provide home defense against an ICE SWAT team? Seems to me that a gun in this situation means someone you care about will get seriously injured or die. And/or go to jail for murder.
Makes me think investing in a Halon fire suppression system could be useful. Along with gas masks for everyone.
Baron Von JAnyone want to build an exploding house?
Im not American but if someone wants this idea id love to read about it some day
Edit: spelling
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meme_historianAt this point just start pelting any unmarked Fed looking van with rocks
EmpireInDecayDo stand your ground laws still apply?
Depends on the state.
There is also Castle Doctrine, which is probably more applicable, and more widespread, accepted in one form or another in all 50 states.
"Them there folks" in the red run welfare states will use stand your ground. WTF, ICE should be renamed to Gestapo or NKVD.
It's particularly cynically amusing when Trump and the Republicans apoarently go out of their way to grant themselves abuses of power directly reminiscent of the Nazis.
And still the people who most pride themselves on their patriotism line right up to cheer it on.
This is the era of the angry, stupid American. and their King Donald.
This is the era of American fascism, which is identical to Hitlers nazism in every way that matters.
It's kinda weird that when fascists took America they would be totally cucked to Israel. History gets weirder and weirder.
Yeah... No they fucking can't. And a lot of people (with guns) know that, and feel very strongly about that fact
All these stories of plainclothes agents in unmarked vans and I'm just waiting for the article.
That's been my thought as well... It's only a matter of time before they come across an actual gang member or 2A enthusiast and someone catches some lead.
Exactly, I'm not saying I want it to happen, but maybe then they'd at least reconsider their methodology.
If a bunch of people with weapons come breaking into my house then they'd better hope they can get to me faster than the 3 seconds it takes to open the gun safe or someone is going to get a face full of 00 buckshot.
Well... You know, practice. If your first, second, or third shot is slow, you get got
Not to say you aren't practicing, just a friendly reminder
Most Americans with guns are anti-immigrant.
"You say you dislike immigrants? That's just what someone harboring illegals would say!"
They can enter if they SUSPECT you have immigrants.
Are you implying that them being anti-immigrant will prevent the ICE, which doesn't know that, from entering their home and maybe even wrongfully deport them, if they tanned slightly too much?
I wonder, if you're not harboring any immigrants and ICE is breaking open your door because they suspect you do, is it morally OK to start shooting to defend your home? How would you even know it's not a burglar?
It's actually more morally okay than if it was a burglar.
Then who's to say that a group of thieves just put on some gear wear a bunch of ICE logos on their shirt and break down your door, tell you you can't do anything about it and rob you blind?
There's a reason why there are complicated rules of law ... because if you remove the most basic laws, everyone can just start abusing them.
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At this point, I think it's okay to start shooting even if you know it's ICE. Corrupt secret police that can't get a warrant fall into the home invasion category.
It's morally okay to start shooting either way
By their own logic, I think itsokaytoshootthem if you suspect they might break into your house.
Over my dead body if that's what it takes. We're about to house a young woman from Spain on a J-1 visa. They will not be stepping foot into my home to harass her.
Your proposal is acceptable to them.
Okay then, now I'll be looking into getting those guns I've heard so much about.
stay away from SIG. the P320 has misfire problems and is known to go off while holstered.
when SIG was forced to make a public response, they went full MAGA and blamed "the left" for creating conspiracies against them instead of addressing the actual problem.
Damn, thanks.
Sincerely, if you have questions and no local resource you’re comfortable with, hit me up.
ICE gestapo playbook:
1) hey look, I see someone that’s an “alien enemy”
2) what due process?
3) bag em
4) rinse and repeat
Based on my memos you can shoot a dumb bitch that came in your house without a warrant straight in the face.
She can shove that memo up her cunt. Memo are not laws.
Try it, cunts.
ICE can also be shot, just saying.
They can certainly try, Ohio has Ohio Self-Defense Law (Section 2903.04) and something tells me ice isn’t big on showing badges.
... Fourth Amendment..?
Cut out in half, and you’re left with 2.
To paraphrase:
"Donald Trump has made his decision; now let him enforce it!"
Fuck no
Reading "Alien Enemy" so many times is really enforces the fact that we should revolt.
Colorado's 'Make My Day' law says otherwise.
1st4th5th6th8th14th...
3rd?Constitution disagrees!
They enter without a warrant or even a no knock with one I'm pretty sure I'll put a bullet into one of em.
I woke up this morning thinking about going to the gym.
Now the exercise I’m looking into is my 2A.
We make us safe.
Man... I'm in a deep red state and my chapter just has 0 ability to answer any sort of contact attempt.
Hard to get organized when the organization doesn't give assistance.
I actually thought about replacing it with SRA instead of just erasing it lol
Lol, NRA - "We are living in dark times, you must defend your family"
People rise up against the government with their corporate bought guns.
NRA - "Not like that!"
What a pathetic cult.