JemmyTrump sends innocent man to El Salvador for having autism awareness tattoo
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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/23716733
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They are all innocent until proven guilty, and even then, they shouldn't be shipped off to be tortured in foreign prisons.
Don’t worry there’s plenty of innocent people in those inhumane prisons over there. When you suspend civil liberties to throw as many people into prison as possible without due process, innocent people getting swept up into the madness is a feature!
aramova1) Is anybody at all surprised?
2) Fuck everyone who voted for this disgusting example of humanity. (Or thought they're both the same, or didn't think their vote mattered)
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Then start supporting proportional representation voting, or literally any other system than First Past The Post
Yup, the votes for the Senate, house, state Senate, house, board of education, all of those don't matter either.
Narrow minded people sometimes. I swear
How to be right in any scenario, simply move the goal posts!
Wild take.
The house is almost tied. That's who passes bills, handles impeachments, some of the most powerful committees are.
218 Republicans, 213 Democrats.
Let's see, take New York for example.
26 representatives total, 19 Democrat and 7 Republican.
5 of those were within 2 points last time their seat was up.
People who think that New York is blue, their vote doesn't matter, skips the votes for the House and Senate and end up losing a Blue house seat but later complain that nothing changes are literally the fucking problem.
Let me spell it out for ya...
Every. Fucking. State. Is. Like. This.
Apathetic morons who don't realize that the president is only held accountable by the other branch of government then wave their hands around when they did jack shit to help put people in place to, are the fucking problem.
District 3 of California was lost by 24,000 votes.
District 22 was lost by 3,000.
Those two seats in the house, along with the close ones in New York, Jersey, Michigan, Illinois, Washington, hell every state... Are what makes the House of Representatives or breaks it.
So, if you think that your vote for president doesn't matter, so you skip voting and let these other seats slip, yes, you're a fucking moron who can't grasp basic concepts of government that are taught in 4th grade.
And don't get me started on the State House/Senates, how they define voting laws and voting zones and engage in gerrymandering.
Every fucking vote counts.
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This wasn't meant to be a "gotcha!" but go reread the original comment. They don't say "didn't think their vote for president mattered," just "didn't think their vote mattered."
It's important because, as the oc pointed out, a lot of people end up not voting in consequential races because they abstain from voting at all. It's a real problem, as we're all seeing veeeery clearly right now.
"waaaah, the people around me vote in their own self interest and it makes me feel unimportant! wahhhh"
That's you.
How other people vote is their business. That's democracy. You gotta be a real self righteous piece of shit to believe they should vote how you tell them to. Trumpesque, even.
EightBitBloodI the US 2024 presidential election, there was two names on the ballot for candidates likely to win:
A) Person that wanted to tax billionaires
B) Person with 34 felonies for trying to steal a previous presidential election.
Two choice for a vote.
B was picked because TV told everyone that was the smart thing to do, while actual smart people were ignored as too woke.
So now it's very all of our fucking business that TV got people to vote B.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
If you were stupid enough to vote B, or not vote at all when B was on the ballot, then don't be surprised and sad that said action have now enabled the disappearance of people to prisons with no due process.
The only thing Trumpesque is whining like a bitch now that there's consequences to B winning.
The choices were:
A) Brown Lady
B) Constitutional seppuku
So no one here is telling you how to vote - but most here understood what the consequences of voting B would be.
Did you?
Or are you just now mad to find out crime grandpa is indeed gonna crime? Because no one is going to have sympathy for that level of ignorance. Best you can hope for is a 'Let's go Brandon" style of whining you could adopt and use to bitch more about the outcome of the election with.
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You must have read what I wrote in order to know you don't care about it enough to say anything. Which no offense, if you also did the same during the last election, explains why you're so defensive. Because you can run away from my opinion, but you can't run away from the results of this election. No matter how much you complain about it.
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Yes. Telling people how to vote sounds exactly like something Trump would do. He'd probably get super mad about it, throw a tantrum, and lash out with insults too.
Lastly, the surest but most difficult means of preventing crimes is to improve education (Cesare Beccaria, Crimes and Punishments)
Every single person sent to El Salvador were innocent. Not a single one of them had their due process! This is all bullshit.
Yep. Innocent until proven guilty, and not a single one of them was so much as indicted, much less charged or convicted. Blatant disregard for the constitution as well as human rights, everyone all the way up the chain of command needs to be prosecuted for this.
the fact that the democrats aren't filing articles of impeachment every single day tells you where they're at
You'd need four twenty Republican senators to convict. I can't imagine that happening.
It'd still be something. Bemoaning "oh there's no point because it's hopeless" gives these fuckers more fuel because the opposition is just etting it happen without any complaints.
It'd be like a cop kneeling on your neck and not bothering to scream "help I can't breathe! they're killing me!" because you've just accepted that they're going to suffocate you to death.
It would be something. Would it be the most effective use of their time? Unlikely.
"Something must be done, this is something, therefore this must be done" is a joke, not something to take seriously.
Null User ObjectFeel free to offer your own brilliant alternatives that would be a more effective use of their time. You must have at least one since you're so confident that this isn't it.
You need four Republicans to impeach. A lot more to convict.
Impeachment comes from the house. But yes it's actually 20 Republican senators to convict since it's two-thirds, not a simple majority (assuming all 45 Democrats and two independents vote to convict).
20 is definitely not happening. Even in the last two trials, they only got one vote in one trial.
don't need to convict to gum up the works of government while the fascists try to do their genocide
I don't even think we can gum up the works if we tried. If we try they will just do things without a law saying they can or can't. It's not like they are facing any consequences.
You’re right we should just go down with decorum instead of with a fight, it’s the right thing to do 🙄
The works are sufficiently gummed already. Any path forward seems to involve action only implied in the constitution. Maybe a rereading of the Declaration of Independence is in order as well.
explodicleAll it takes for evil to triumph is for "good men" to do nothing.
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So were the 50+ votes to repeal the ACA when the Republicans had a minority control but they still did it to send a message.
MohamedThats the thing. Rounding up people from the street will not catch any criminals (legally speaking), by definition: if they committed a crime, and a judge deemed them guilty, they would be in jail or they would be fugitives. In either case, they are not unknowns, and authorities must've already knew about them. Getting people randomly off the street, you cannot, legally speaking, be catching criminals.
jordanlundThis is, unfortunately, incredibly common in law enforcement circles. If you're paranoid, EVERYTHING is gang related somehow.
Not only that, but they circulate bad information among themselves. Booklets about how every sports team has it's own gang affiliation, etc.
From another article, one of the tattoos in question:
FuglyDuckNot only that, but they circulate bad information among themselves. Booklets about how every sports team has it’s own gang affiliation, etc.
We all know it's the bowling teams that are the gangbangers. I mean look at them. total miscreants!
DEPORTED!
HarkMahlbergThe US has a greater obsession with tattoos than Japan by this point. If you go to a place in Japan and show off a tattoo, the owner might ask you to leave. The US they'll gulag your ass.
Only of you're brown, white people with tattoos are perfectly acceptable, just look at all the neonazis
Just look at our current secretary of defense.
TheBrideWoreCrimsonNow that's a fucking gang tattoo if I've ever seen one. Not like the literal Awareness Ribbon. 🎗️
dan1101Seems like most cops have tattoos now.
ssillyssadassWhat Nazi Germany classed as "untermenschen:"
- People of Jewish descent
- People of Slavic descent
- People of African descent
- People of Romani descent
- Homosexuals
- The mentally disabled
- The physically disabled
- Political dissidents
- POWs
Qualifying people were dehumanized, arrested and initially deported, but eventually taken to camps and either systematically exterminated or put into slavery.
It's not enough to say that there are parallels, America is playing exactly by the Nazi guide book.
doctortofuAmerica has its Gestapo now. How much longer until they create SS that swears fealty not to the US but to Trump?
They've already sworn fealty to Trump. Non-fascists don't join ICE.
sensiblepuffinThat was 10 years ago. DHS is the Gestapo you're seeing now, courtesy of the Patriot Act. They've already sworn fealty to Trump. People are looking at January 6th as an isolated event, but it proved how far the right-wing could get if they wanted to forcefully take over the government.
peoplebeproblemsI know we're largely focused on stopping Trump, and we need to.
But how do we save these guys?
The courts might be able to stop future renditions, but the president or Congress have the power to end this or return them. Congress could cut off the funding (bribes) to El Salvador or president could force them to release people.
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That is not how NATO works or what it is
Not saying we shouldn't try to free political undesirable prisoners, just saying that that is not what NATO is for, won't happen
Is there Non-Nato countries with a military capable and willing to do that?
Most countries would be able to take El Salvador on in a head-on-head fight.
Now, which ones can do so, if the US is backing the dictatorship there? That's a big question.
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sparky@lemmy.federate.cc
This is the only standard by which the Trump administration operates.
Just being a white male isn't enough any more.
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