JemmyKlarna’s AI replaced 700 workers — Now the fintech CEO wants humans back after $40B fall
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The firm is piloting a new model where remote workers, such as students or people in rural areas, can log in and provide service on-demand, “in an Uber type of setup.” Currently, two agents are part of the trial.
Two. They hired two people into a shitty "Uber-like" role, patted themselves on the back, and made headlines. Seriously, fuck this company
OK, so I've seen this claim in a couple of articles now, and it's got me confused. I'm pretty sure remote call center work already exists. So are they just doing that? Because what makes a job "like Uber" is a super low barrier to entry and no employee oversight beyond algorithmically tracked customer satisfaction metrics.
These guys are functionally a financial services company (even if they like to pretend they aren't to skirt regulations). Do they really think that giving anyone who can download an app access to their customer service backend is a good idea? I know that a tier one customer service agent isn't going to have any crazy access, but they need some authority to view and modify account and transaction info, otherwise they're no more useful than a FAQ page on the website.
So I predict roughly zero days between this system rolling out at scale and people figuring out how to abuse the shit out of it.
rem26_art“I feel a bit like Elon Musk,” the Klarna CEO quipped, “always wanting to say it’s going to happen tomorrow, when it’s going to take a little bit longer. I think it’s very likely within 12 months.”
In the article, this was after they mentioned that the CEO still wants to use AI to downsize his workforce. Good luck attracting people to work for your company if you still want to turn around and get rid of them?
Also i feel like their losses aren't primarily due to crappy AI customer service (tho that can't be helping), but the fact that they just loan money to anyone, regardless of whether or not they can pay it back.
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These are the 700 Actually Indians
They want humans back but only in a gig economy as far as I remember.
That's because they forgot to also replace the CEO. Beginner's mistake.
Klarna is the worst. We ordered a canoe last year, it wasn't delivered by the company in time, we cancelled the order. It got acknowledged by the seller, order got cancelled. Klarna kept bugging us for payment, telling us to talk to the seller. So we did, but he said we need to go to Klarna. So we did. This ping pong went for some time, eventually Klarna admited we don't need to pay. And now we have problems getting anything on the invoice, as we paid later. Fuck Klarna.
Your mistake was not hiring an Ai to cancel it for you.
I wonder if that would actually work, keep calling with the AI until one of you gives up.
Their system screwed up an auto-payment which they eventually fixed. They however left the delinquency mark on my account (they only corrected the notice sent to the credit bureaus), so any purchases had to be paid within 30 days.
Couldn't and close out and delete my account fast enough.
They’ll have jobs right up to the introduction of the next gen AI.
That might be a while. AI cannibalizing itself is a real problem right now and it's only going to get worse.
By ingesting it's own slop?
pretty much, AI (LLMs specifically) are just fancy statistical models which means that when they ingest data without reasoning behind it (think the many hallucinations of AI our brains manage to catch and filter out) it corrupts the entire training process. The problem is that AI can not distinguish other AI text from human text anymore so it just ingests more and more "garbage" which leads to worse results. There's a reason why progress in the AI models has almost completely stalled compared to when this craze first started: the companies have an increasingly hard time actually improving the models because there is more and more garbage in the training data.
There's actually a lot of human intervention in the mix. Data labelers for source data, also domain experts who will rectify answers after a first layer of training, some layers of prompts to improve common answers. Without those domain experts, the LLM would never have the nice looking answers we are getting.
I think the human intervention is going to increase to counter the AI pollution in the data sources. But it may not be economically viable anymore eventually.
This is a nice deep dive of the different steps to make today's LLMs: https://youtube.com/watch?v=7xTGNNLPyMI
The obvious follow up is, how can I, help to hasten the decline
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No need to bother, reddit is already full of entire threads of GPT posts, the megacorps are killing their own product for us.
Let's hope the current ai chokes on the crap it produces and eats afterwards.
Don't forget, there's also people deliberately poisoning ai. Truly doing God's work.
Yup. Me on my quite big karma account on Stack Overflow:
I gave up on it when they decided to sell my answers/questions for AI training. First I wanted to delete my account, but my data would stay. So I started editing my answers to say "fuck ai" (in a nutshell). I got suspended for a couple months " to think about what I did". So I dag deep into my consciousness and came up with a better plan. I went through my answers (and questions) and poisoned them little by little every day bit by bit with errors. After that I haven't visited that crap network anymore. Before all this I was there all the time, had lots of karma (or whatever it was called there). Couldn't care less after the AI crap.
I honestly hope, that I helped make the AI, that was and probably still is trained on data that the users didn't consent to be sold, little bit more shitty.
nightmare fuel
🎵 Black hole sun, won't you come, and wash away the rain?.... 🎶
https://openai.com/index/klarna/
To use an ancient acronym:
ROFLMAO
Hahahaha..... No.
C'mon AI, do the needful!