A place to discuss positive changes that can make work more equitable, and to vent about current practices. We are NOT against work; we just want the fruits of our labor to be recognized better.
Our Philosophies:
- All workers must be paid a living wage for their labor.
- Income inequality is the main cause of lower living standards.
- Workers must join together and fight back for what is rightfully theirs.
- We must not be divided and conquered. Workers gain the most when they focus on unifying issues.
Our Goals
- Higher wages for underpaid workers.
- Better worker representation, including but not limited to unions.
- Better and fewer working hours.
- Stimulating a massive wave of worker organizing in the United States and beyond.
- Organizing and supporting political causes and campaigns that put workers first.
Moderators
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Gen Z job seekers should be allowed to steal everything this person owns.
I aint gonna say I condone crime but I also did not see anything either
Clumsy rich and their property 🐸
It's a crime that these people are rich in the first place.
Never forget, wage theft is the most common form of theft in the USA!
Eat the rich. Farm their unplanted lands!
sure as fuck don't condone parasites either lol
When the revolution comes, people should remember her and where her mansion is
Good luck finding her in the first place. Why do you think they push the Internet so hard?
This is the newest form of slavery. Subtle.
Slaves are expensive, you have to pay upfront and provide "housing" and "food"; desperate workers are so much better, they have to pay for their own shit with whatever scraps you throw at them!
Slaves are only more expensive upfront. Long run it's far cheaper considering they will have kids that you then also own. There is a reason why those inbred chicken shit sister fuckers in the south had slaves instead of paying farm workers.
Only in the fucked-up american version of slavery. It was never sustainable long-term.
edit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery
Brazil also had that fucked up thing. A slave's children were owned by the same asshole that owned the slave. It was only around the 1850s, decades before the full emancipation (1888), that all newborn children were considered free. It didn't mean much in most cases, since the mother being a slave meant the entire cost of caring for her kid would eventually become a debt to them
It's not a "job" if you are working for no compensation. That's slavery, my guy.
But they definitely already know that.
Even slaves got food and shelter.
That's because they were "assets"! Now people are disposable– trash to be dumped when better bodies come to replace them.
We need better laws to protect workers in the US.
We trust you'll be a great asset to the company.
People are treated like things under capitalism. The workers are de facto responsible for using up inputs to produce outputs, but capitalism grants the employer sole legal responsibility for the positive and negative results of production. This violates the basic principle of justice that legal and de facto responsibility should match. Satisfying this principle can only be done in a worker coops. Therefore, all firms must be mandated to be worker coops
There's a basket with fresh fruit right there in the break room!
If you work at SquareSpace, start talking about a union. The C-Level there absolutely gives no fucks about replacing you.
Ask her to lead by example.
She claims to have done so:
I wonder how the money worked at that stage in her life. Was she living off loans? Was she living off wealth from another source?
Highly likely that there was some connections to grease a bit of the wheels of commerce.
All these "i worked as an intern" usually have some connections that "picked" them from that intern pool. The other interns usually tend to be the fall guys. "So sorry all of you missed out but this person is the bestest!". While being the son/daughter/friend/family of someone in that company.
I used to work at an insurance company, and I ran the internship program for my department once. When we were doing the interviews, one of the candidates was from my geographic area, which is pretty rural and not many of my coworkers were from anywhere near there. He’d launched a free tutoring program at his high school and carried it on a few hours a week through his first couple years of university until that point. For paid work experience, he had mostly agricultural work, because he had to support his family.
I’m realizing now that I may have been a little naïve about it, but no one else even wanted to consider him compared to the students who were able to do many more extracurricular activities and were able to dedicate more hours to non paid work.
What I’m trying to say is that even if nobody is actively corrupt, it’s a structurally classist system.
Yep ... this.
Whether there are lies or nepotism or completely inapplicable experiences or just confirmation biases ... the very idea of the internship to get your foot in the door is classist.
The idea that you have time to burn for free for the sake of your career is classist. The idea that an economic system premised on everyone being employed somehow should work by having those employees constantly "hustle" to get employment is classist. To speak of these notions as universally applicable without acknowledging their classism ... is classist.
People can do a lot if mommy and daddy support them regardless. That's why making things work for recipients of nepotism should not be the basis of the economy.
Probably parents money. But even if it were a loan she'd have to have had more privilege than most to get to that position anyway.
This is where using your chemistry schooling to make street drugs comes in.
Eat the rich
From her Wikipedia page lmao:
Kinjil Mathur is an American business woman known for propagating slavery type employment for Gen z which reflects her capitalist mindset of exploiting people for her own personal wealth. Her quote “You really have to just be willing to do anything, any hours, any pay, any type of job—just really remain open.” 1 been widely slammed by Gen z generation .she is also the current chief marketing officer of Squarespace.[3][4][5] She was in Vogue's list of "49 incredible Indian women who are creating legacies across the globe". [6] [1]
The wikipedia mods, however, keep rolling back these changes, despite the fact there is nothing wrong about it, in fact, it's backed up by articles highlighting her statements.
What the fuck is this, is Wikipedia only allowed to say good things from those fuckers?
If you have to think outside the box to get a job to survive, then the job market is critically bad.
The ownership class should be trembling.
Either the government rolls out new deal measures, yesterday...
Or all the industrialists and officials burn in their compounds,
We’re still a long way off from that.
Remember, it took Hoovervilles and mass suicides to correct from black Tuesday, and there was just as much wealth inequality then as there is now.
Until a large portion of the economy just collapses, the government won’t do anything. And they’ve learned their lesson about letting things get that bad, so they’ll just balance us on a knife edge for as long as physically possible before things inevitably collapse.
Learn how to garden if you have the room. If not, learn how to can your own food and mend your own appliances and clothes. It’s going to get a whole lot worse before we get another new deal.
The Democratic party is already in a situation where it can't make mistakes and it can't get unlucky or it loses the presidency, and if it loses the presidency then elections will be neutered and the US becomes a one-party autocracy.
And if it becomes a one-party autocracy, then it'll have to perpetuate the enemy within myth (and eventually go to war) to keep the people obedient. And that means burning (maybe literally) a portion of the population, starting with LGBT+ and enemies of the regime (that's all the principal democrats) and going for non-whites, non-Christians, disabled folk, unemployed folk, people who have unnecessary jobs, uppity women, anyone overly ethnic, countercultures and eventually, anyone who isn't sufficiently patriotic or is too slow in snapping their salute.
At least this is the model that Reinhard Heydrich created in the development of the Sicherheitsdienst, and is replicated in the standard operations of ICE regarding immigrants and anyone else they'd rather see disappear.
But the German occupation of Paris was brutal despite themselves, despite that they were ordered to govern the French gently, and the brutality was so extreme La Résistance manifested in days, starting small and becoming a formidable fighting and mischief force within two years. So if Trump wins the election (or secures power through a procedural coup d'etat or through a violent coup d'etat) the resistance will be organizing across states by the end of 2025, assuming open civil war doesn't break out.
They try this bullshit for generations now.
You couldn't get gen x to work for free, you couldn't get us millennials to work for free, what makes you think you'll be able to get the next ones to work for free lol.
"Eventually food insecurity will make people desperate enough"
Not sure how working for free would help with that though.
Because when everyone except the upper classes is financially insecure you would be willing to do anything at a chance to not be, including giving away your labor for free for a chance of a paycheck maybe.
The peasants in the French revolution were "willing to do anything" as well.
Rule of Acquisition #91: Your boss is only worth what he pays you
There has got to be other measures, such as how much her skin would fetch as a couch, or taking her trappin
She’s ensuring her place in line for the guillotine
I'm sure feeling hungry for a bit of the aristocratic white meat.
Except she isn't white.
Not in the way Swedes are white. I was making a reference to the other white meat but it turns out pork is red meat, and so are human beings.
It's still meat, tho
Spoken like a true capitalist. Work for free, kiss the boots of corporate execs, and maybe we'll throw you a none.
milLeNnIaLsAnDgEnZdOnTwAnTtOwOrK
If that wasn't on purpose that typo is apt.
It wasn't on purpose but glad it works even better
Hey, Squarespace CMO? You're a cunt.
Working for free only communicates that you don’t value your labor, expertise, nor your time.
Never work for free. You disrespect yourself and your profession.
Also communicates her family is well off enough she didn’t need to get paid.
Which really shows how bullshit anything she says really is. It’s likely her family connections got her where she is rather than her own hard work.
Squarespace's CMO can suck my left nut.
No thanks. I have already had enough of selfish women in my life.
This is exactly how she managed to advance so quickly. By being willing to spout this BS on demand.
As a Millennial: Hahahahahahaha fuck you no.
I am "willing to do anything"
Except I mean it as an ultimatum
You wouldn't get the picture from any finance or economic article because they never quote labor leaders, always executives, and can't tell the truth about a union to save their life, but labor organizing is on the rise after big victories last year that continue to impact negotiations and forming new labor unions. Never work for free, always value your time and labor at least as much as the wealth class values their capital.
Remember kids, these people would not piss on you if you were on fire.
and there is one thing nobody ever said on their death bed: "I wish I made a parasite more money"
What is wrong with America. In the UK and the EU it is illegal to work for no pay
It is indeed illegal, but unfortunately it still happens.
https://www.tuc.org.uk/news/workers-uk-put-more-ps35-billion-worth-unpaid-overtime-last-year-tuc-analysis
https://www.cgtbs.info/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1543:horas-extra-el-mayor-robo-de-la-historia&catid=59:circulares-2011&lang=es&Itemid=0
It's a culture built entirely on greed. What's not understood about that?
I hate the softball fluff-pieces.
Even a halfway decent journalist would have asked how she could have afforded to do all those internships for free or how she thinks young people might afford-to now…
Wtf is a CMO?
Chief Masturbatory Officer
That is a solid plan to advance your career.
Chief Marketing Officer
The fact that we have people getting paid multiple times the average wage for fucking *marketing and advertising* is proof our economic system is a complete and utter failure
This is slavery
Indian leadership in American companies. The fucking worst.
Why's that
They tend towards toxic attitudes about work and work/life balance.
They bring the caste system mentality with them
This right here. They go down the fixed hierarchy rabbit hole really hard really fast, no mobility or movement in the company either.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/big-techs-big-problem-also-best-kept-secret-caste-discrimination-rcna33692
Is she saying stupid shit like the to get attention?
maybe, but the article really doesn't justify the headline imo. The article reads more like her statements are coming from a "this worked for me, so try my way if you're struggling" place rather than a "work for me for free, bitches" place.
not saying that in itself is good, but, you know, also way less infuriating than condemning those entitled youngsters
That's great if you live at home with plenty of family money to sustain all.
Chief Marketing Officer ? That should not be a thing.
That is just a fancy word for VP of marketing which also means "not in charge of reality based stuff"
Experience *is* priceless, but this is just justifying exploitation.
They are still saying that shit to middle aged millennials 🐸
Sure. If you want to climb the corporate ladder, chasing money and power, that's the way it works.
If you want to paint houses for a living, or take X-rays, or something simple that just allows you to comfortably pay your bills, this is fucking stupid.
Nobody gets ahead by providing free labour, that shit is a myth so slaves work "hard" and nepo babies get promoted...
OP's talking about the necessary grind, not working for free. Though that *can* be part of success.
20-years ago I was grinding on my computers non-stop. That got me a tech support job. Few jobs later, I'm grinding on my home lab to learn more for what I wanted to do at work. That packed my resume and I doubled my pay and benefits on the next job.
what are you basing this on? OP prompt is "free work:" Steve said "sure"
but ok (gen-x) boomer
way to bring your personal non sequitur anecdote int this tho, you really hit peak boomer here
Tbf, I am sick of Gen-X getting a pass or being ignored completely. They had great opportunities just like boomers and they are also pulling up the fucking ladder.
Fixed that for you. Internships only benefit the wealthy.
Internships
only benefit*are only available to* the wealthy.Bruhh... if my internships = career movers, then yes
But there is so much parasitic "business owners" out there... looks like they are activating again. They got lucky in early 2010s when millennials were desperate for jobs because there were not enough boomers retiring. These parasite are looking for a similar set up, demographics are different.
Let's see how it plays out.
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I am astounded that people think that you must work for free. This is illegal for good reason. The most valuable commodity that we have is our time. It is limited for every person. My time is as valuable to me as her time is to her.
Serious question to up voters. How do you defend a privileged person demanding that time be given for free? Do you not value yourself?
The only practice I can think of where people work for free that is socially acceptable are internships(which I fundamentally disagree with).
One of my younger coworkers was required to do an internship, for free, for a set amount of hours so she could graduate and earn her degree. That internship took valuable hours away from her paying job, which she needs to afford to go to school full-time come fall.
Wealthy people, or kids from wealthy families can afford to do that. People who have to work can't really afford that, which filters out poor people trying to better themselves, or runs people into the ground trying to do both.
It's honestly disgusting that schools still do this and that it's an accepted practice. I don't know why anyone is okay with it to be honest. Maybe it's just that normalized or something.
I'm so glad my community college refused to offer or honor any internship that was unpaid (or paid less than a set amount). We even got the local university to go along with it, so now pretty much nobody offers unpaid internships in the area because they all realize that they'd be missing out on a huge labor pool otherwise.
Chief Muppet officer?
I'd expect better from a Chief Muppet Officer.
Fuck off and die.
She should whore herself out for free and see how she likes it.
Narrator: She likes it
She said she is willing to forgive all of her pay to actually stand by her word?
What did you say? 100% income and capital gains tax *specifically* for Kinjil Mathur? Where do I have to sign?
Don't be silly. She's talking about poor people.
"geriatric millennials" How old does this author think millennials are?
It's a term used to refer to older millennials. I am 42 and apparently a "geriatric millennial." I hate the term, for what it's worth.
Pregnancies over age 35 are considered geriatric as well. So maybe they are just confused because of that..? (I’m being generous)
Take your crab mentality and fuck right off, Kinjil.
What is with these Coconuts telling other people to be slaves.
Im sure not so long ago some of these same people came from struggling families barely making it living food to mouth.
It has to be the "Fuck you Got Mine" mentality that they got going on.
That's very easy to say if it wouldn't gas meant for most people these days that they be in even more debt if they did so. That is just not the risk people from non rich families can take.
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Please stop normalising unpaid internship.
It's fucked up that unpaid internships are even a thing in the US. In Canada, they are illegal. And guess what? Most companies still hire interns. The only reason they don't pay them in the US is because they can get away with it.
Their quoting of "unpaid internship" as something other than "unpaid work" is a distorted view, and part of the problem. No one should work for free unless they are volunteering for charity or something. No one should work for free at a for-profit company, that's for sure.
Six one way half a dozen the other. I mean, it's not so different as you imply. No conditions are right to exploit this way.
Unpaid internships are basically just a way for rich kids to leverage their parents wealth into a career. The vast majority of people cannot afford to work for "experience", this is only applicable advice for people whose parents are willing and able to foot the bill.
Exactly this. You're either rich, or you're working two full-time jobs, which will absolutely wreck the shit out of your mental and physical health in the long run.
While I disagree with your comment, I do like that you made it because it presents an opportunity to say that there's nothing special about unpaid internships that make them more ethical than any other underpaid work. It's all about the exploitation of people who are in weak positions for the benefit of people in strong positions or setting the requirements for entry such that someone must already be in a strong enough position to survive those requirements. It *seems* different because it's been normalized, but "normal" doesn't equal "good".
I'd also say similar about how healthcare workers are treated, though that is more about the ridiculous hours and on call times than pay. And any other profession that has accepted it "needs" to abuse people trying to get in.
Btw, that "underpaid work" above includes the majority of jobs in the western economy because capitalism itself is all about exploiting the labour of those who don't own everything they need for survival or participation in the economy. Ironically, the owners themselves are in the same boat, since they don't own the labour they need for their own participation, but somehow we've landed in a situation where most people think that ownership is far more important than time and effort.
This isn't click-bait. An unpaid internship IS unpaid work.
In Australia and a number of other countries they are ILLEGAL. (Other than when it forms a small part of a degree).
Unpaid internships are work, and it seems you agree. This CMO is literally saying people should be willing to work for free to get their foot in the door, a disgusting and illegal practice which only gives employers even more power.