KPD (Communist) rally, with anti-SPD (Social Democrat) poster on the left, Weimar Germany, 1932

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KPD (Communist) rally, with anti-SPD (Social Democrat) poster on the left, Weimar Germany, 1932
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  1. Yeah. And back when it was happening in 1932, they didn’t have the abundance of historical precedent we have to look back on now. It actually was kind of reasonable back then to conclude that if they just went to violent seize-the-police-station war with anything that wasn’t Communist, it would bring about victory and a more enlightened age. And also they could be forgiven not realizing the threat that Hitler posed. Now, the leftists who think it’s a good idea to go to war with the center (and only the center apparently) when there is an active urgent threat to all of our safety waiting over on the right, have a lot less excuse to be able to say once it’s all blown up catastrophically, “Oh, my bad, I didn’t know.”
  2. I think it is very obvious that it’s being engineered on purpose this time. I actually don’t know what is behind it. Maybe it’s Russia, maybe it is Palantir (certainly I don’t know what they fuck they do do but it seems like some supervillain shit that people are willing to pay a ton of money for), maybe it’s something else. But someone is manipulating public opinion in a way that happens to 4d chess its way around to people thinking electing a whole bunch of Lex Luthors as mayor of Metropolis is a really good idea, and constantly biting their nails about what bad people all the Soc Dems are and no leftists should support them. It’s happening in too much the exact same way with the exact same result in too many countries at once for it to make sense to me that it’s just happening that way naturally.
  3. I had a super stimulating conversation about this recently, and ran across a fascinating little summary of the whole 1932 KPD events from the far leftist perspective. Check it out:

https://www.wsws.org/en/special/library/foundations-ger/10.html

73 - The KPD had been established as a response to the betrayal of social democracy. But it proved just as unable as the SPD to weld together the working class and lead it into a struggle against the Nazis. A ten-year campaign against “Trotskyism” had politically corroded the party and transformed its leadership into a willing tool of Stalin. It repeated all the opportunist and ultra-left errors, against which Lenin and Trotsky had fought ten years before, and hid its paralysis and fatalism behind radical phrase-mongering. Until 1933, Trotsky tried relentlessly to correct the wrong course of the KPD. His writings on Germany from these years, which fill two thick volumes, prove his genius as a Marxist and political leader. Banished to a remote Turkish island, forced to rely on newspapers and reports from political friends, Trotsky demonstrated an understanding of German events and their internal dynamics that remains unparalleled to this day. He foresaw the events clearly and precisely and developed a convincing alternative to the devastating course of the KPD. The KPD responded not with arguments, but with slanders, violence and the entire weight of the Moscow apparatus.

74 - At the heart of the policy of the KPD was the thesis of social fascism. From the fact that both fascism and bourgeois democracy were forms of capitalist rule, the Comintern drew the conclusion that there was no contradiction between them, not even a relative one. Fascism and social democracy were the same―in the words of Stalin: “not antipodes, but twins”―the social democrats therefore were “social fascists”. The KPD rejected any collaboration with the SPD against the rightwing danger and, in some cases, even went so far as to make common cause with the Nazis―for example, when it supported the referendum initiated by the Nazis in 1931 to bring down the SPD-led Prussian state government. Occasionally it called for “a united front from below”. But this was not an offer to collaborate, but an ultimatum to the SPD members to break with their party.

75 - Trotsky decisively opposed this form of vulgar radicalism. He recalled that Marx and Engels had protested fiercely when Lassalle had called feudal counterrevolution and the liberal bourgeoisie “one reactionary mass”. Now Stalin and the KPD were repeating the same error. “It is absolutely correct to place on the Social Democrats the responsibility for the emergency legislation of Brüning as well as for the impending danger of fascist savagery. It is absolute balderdash to identify Social Democracy with fascism”, he wrote. “The Social Democracy, which is today the chief representative of the parliamentary-bourgeois regime, derives its support from the workers. Fascism is supported by the petty bourgeoisie. The Social Democracy without the mass organizations of the workers can have no influence. Fascism cannot entrench itself in power without annihilating the workers’ organizations. Parliament is the main arena of the Social Democracy. The system of fascism is based upon the destruction of parliamentarianism. For the monopolistic bourgeoisie, the parliamentary and fascist regimes represent only different vehicles of dominion; it has recourse to one or the other, depending upon the historical conditions. But for both the Social Democracy and fascism, the choice of one or the other vehicle has an independent significance; more than that, for them it is a question of political life or death.”[3]

76 - Trotsky fought untiringly for a policy of the united front. This would have made it possible for the KPD to use the contradiction between social democracy and fascism to unite the working class, win the confidence of the social democratic workers and expose the social democratic leaders. In an article written at the end of 1931, entitled “For a Workers’ United Front Against Fascism”, he explained: “Today the Social Democracy as a whole, with all its internal antagonisms, is forced into sharp conflict with the fascists. It is our task to take advantage of this conflict and not to unite the antagonists against us.” One must “show by deeds a complete readiness to make a bloc with the Social Democrats against the fascists” and “understand how to tear the workers away from their leaders in reality. But reality today is―the struggle against fascism.” It was necessary to “help the Social Democratic workers in action―in this new and extraordinary situation―to test the value of their organizations and leaders at this time, when it is a matter of life and death for the working class.”[4]

77 - The refusal of the KPD to accept such a policy led to the German catastrophe.

Honestly I don’t know that much about Trotsky but literally everything I have heard about him makes me like and respect him.

It’s not some puppet master behind the scenes or some evil society. It’s people like us who know their history, but they’re members of the bourgeois. They know that they have accumulated too much of the wealth of their nations and it’s causing destabilization. The only way out now is drastic reform… or reactionary violence to said reform. So, they back the reactionaries and fund propaganda meant to a) keep normies from realizing what’s happening as long as possible and b) destabilize any coherent movement from the left.

They probably know that reform will come regardless, but the longer they kick the can, the higher the likelihood that they can keep their massive hoards once this cycle of clawback is over.

Chaos is a ladder and other brain dead sentiments play really well with rich assholes thinking only about their money.

They know that they have accumulated too much of the wealth of their nations and it’s causing destabilization. The only way out now is drastic reform… or reactionary violence to said reform.

Yeah, but that’s been going on since… well, since the 1800s. Something is different now. Ever since around 2016, they’ve been winning in a way they have not been before. And the way of the winning is relatively new, and it’s consistent across countries. No one on the left in 2008/2012 was saying that Obama was a Zionist or holding protests about even legitimate things they could have been angry at him about (drone strikes, bank bailout, things like that). This whole brainrot of “if we stop voting to let the Republicans win to teach the Democrats a lesson, they’ll move to the left because that is definitely how it works” was totally absent, and then all of a sudden in the last few years you started seeing it everywhere.

In 2008/12, most Americans weren’t consuming leftist ideas. The closest thing they had was Occupy, which was mostly about holding those behind the financial crash to account. Nowadays “Eat the Rich” is a common enough phrase that it’s unsurprising to see in every day life. YouTubers openly discuss Marx and reach moderately large audiences. That puts more people’s eyes on the actual culprit behind the problems, which means counter-action is more needed.

Secondly, propaganda on the anonymous internet has matured significantly since then. Plus the tools available now allow for much faster dissemination of ideas then back in 08/12.






Please note that the kpd was stalinist.


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