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Russian here. Yes, this is indeed true. They've been throttling the bandwidth for a good while before, even yt music was slow. GoodbyeDPI lets you bypass the blocks for now. Idk what to expect next tbh
Ого не знал что кто-то из русских здесь есть:)
нас дюжины! дюжины!
Всего две дюжины...
это же только сервера русские, я сам на Lemmy.world
I mean you could still use frontends out there but don't you all start using them at once. I use them too you know.
While I understand people’s initial reaction to think this is a positive thing, I don’t believe it is. The less free speech and media the Russian people have access to, the more control Putins propaganda machine has.
Yeah... I suspect it has something to do with controlling info on Ukraine pushing back perhaps.
Same difference. They won't do anything about it anyway.
Practically all russians have had access to fully uncensored YT just one click away on their smartphones for over a decade (until today).
That didn't really change anything. Russia's problems lie in the attitude of the overwhelming majority of its people, not in the lack of access to information.
They make a conscious and fully informed choice to be genocidal imperialists and embrace authoritarianism.
I don’t think a grassroots revolution will be taking place anytime soon, but this is aimed at the young people of Russia who are against the war. The old people there love Putin but I suspect they also aren’t watching YouTube.
The majority of the young people in Russia are genocidal imperialists. Support for extermination of other countries is of course higher in the older generations, but that doesn't change the fact that a solid majority of young (e.g. 18 to 29) are genocidal imperialists.
I understand that it might be reassuring to repeat platitudes like "young people of russia are against the war", but this is clearly not true.
Even the framing is suspect. What do you mean by "the war"; the full-scale invasion? In Ukraine, the war started in 2014 with annexation of Crimea and russian invasion of Donbas.
May I know where you found the info that a solid majority of young Russians (well, I think you only talk about those that did not already leave) supports the war?
A tiny % left and even among them there are many genocidal nationalists and fake opposition types.
Look up any research on the topic Russian Field, Levada, LSE List Experiment on support from the war among Russians.
I believe the general trend was that every age category had a majority and that at one point the 30-40 age group had slightly lower support for russian annexation and destruction of Ukrainian identity than the 18 -29 age group.
"they"?
what happens to dissidents in Putin's Russia? It's easy to criticize a repressed population when you're not risking anything.
were all U.S. citizens responsible for the invasion of iraq? In U.S. where you don't disappear for criticising the government and it's choices, what difference did that freedom of speech make for Iraqis?
Where in the so called "west" do people keep buying from Putin's Russia through cloaked trade?
while we're on the subject of "genocidal imperialists embracing authoritarianism", who are the greatest sponsors of one of the longest running apartheid regime? Is "the attitude of the overwhelming majority of its people" the cause of this genocidal apartheid?
nuances! "Overwhelming majority" is just trying to get by. Most people are not power hungry psychopaths. If Putin, Netanyahu and some more of their ilk died today, world would be a better place tomorrow.
fuck this! it's time to go offline and read a decent book.
Sometimes you shoot yourself in the head. Twice.
What about so called russian "dissidents"? Navalniy and his team openly supported the annexation of Crimea (and destruction of Ukrainian and Crimean Tartar culture).
The recently exchanged "dissidents" also showed their true colours by supporting the annexation of currently occupied territories in Ukraine.
We are not discussing US right now! The US did not annex Basra state, steal all the local children, force everyone to speak English and send anyone caught talking Arabic to a torture chamber; all with support of somewhere between 65% to 85% of their population.
The overwhelming majority of Russians are genocidal imperialists. They support invasions of foreign countries, annexations, attempts at elimatining local language and culture and setting up mass torture camps for anyone opposed to the yoke of russian degeneracy.
The "trying to get by" pitch is a ruse. Both qualitative and quantitative research (different methodologies, including ones that attempt to account for preference falsification) show this is not true and that on an outcome basis, the overwhelming majority of russians are indeed genocidal imperialists.
Fuck off with your xenophobia-biased opinions.
If you actually spent any amount of time communicating with people in Russia, you’d realise the overwhelming majority are not genocidal imperialists.
The overwhelming majority of Russians I’ve spoken to do not support the ongoing war, and would prefer if Ukraine was left alone.
I’d be interested in seeing where you’re pulling these extrapolated statistics from, including the demographics of the people who were surveyed.
If 7/10 Texans oppose abortion, does that mean 70% of the country believe the same thing?
You do understand that anecdotal findings don't mean anything, right? I've lived in russia for a decade; the three russians I still speak to are anti-war. That's not how any of this works!
I've posted links and reference to various research works previously in this thread. You can start by looking at polling from Levada (lots of age group information), Russian Field and a paper by LSE that uses list experiments (URL in one of my comments in this thread).
Even qualitative research by russian academics is damning for russian society. They find that even among those who don't actively support the invasion, a majority still want to see their army win (i.e. annexation Ukrainian territories, steal children, bomb children's cancer hospitals). This was a recent project done in a small town (15K) in Siberian russia, released just last month.
A strong majority of russian are most definitely genocidal imperialists (including the 19-29 age group, although it may be more of a regular majority than a "strong majority"). You're really ignorant (of practically all quantitative and qualitative research as well as of history) and/or you are naive and not willing to ask yourself difficult questions.
Of course not. But the US is actively funding a genocide in palestine and many similar atrocities around the globe. This empire has a long history of colonialism, imperialism, genocide, slavery, racism, war, etc. The overwhelming majority of USAians are also genocidal imperialists. Just listen to NPR. Just look at the presidential candidates.
I'm not saying the alt-empire is any better. I'm saying that empire is the same everywhere. All of these politicians are extremely privileged hanging out together at the UN, dinner parties, etc. regardless of what brand of state they serve. It's all the same system and same people. Every state and all empire is trash.
So when did senior US politicians call for extermination of Gazan identity, banning arabic in Gaza and annexing Gaza as a new state?
You do understand that the term "genocidal imperialist" has actual meaning, right?
The overwhelming majority of russian are genocidal imperialist because they support russia full scale invasion and they have always supported the annexation of Crimea.
We can have a conversation about the bad and good things done by the US, but I don't see what this has to do with the topic at hand?
Not really: https://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/20/opinion/how-to-punish-putin.html ; this is just days after the annexation. I'm no fan of Navalny for various reasons (his nationalist views, xenophobic comments and narratives, etc), but he was very much against all Putin's shenanigans in Ukraine, and vehemently anti-war.
What are you on about? Name one of them who supported the war. Most of them were jailed due to their anti-war positions.
The NYT article is aimed at western audiences, of course they are going to present a more humanistic pitch.
English language content from the russian "opposition" is often misleading.
In russian, Navalniy initially clearly stated that "Ukrainians, you should forget about Crimea" and that "Crimea is not a ham sandwich, you can't just give it back!"
He later did a PR pass on his position with a call for an "independent referendum"; a typical russian imperialist mindset. The Ukrainian constitution only allows for national referendums on such matters.
Navalniy own head goon even confirmed that they supported the annexation of Crimea because the vast majority of russian are imperialists:
https://time.com/6162889/navalny-ukraine-russia-leonid-volkov/
He was most definitely not anti-war. The russian invasion of Ukraine began with the annexation of Crimea; which was supported by Navaliy and his team.
One of Yashin's responsibilities as a deputy in 2018 was conscription. Russia has been at war with Ukraine since 2014.
Now I understand for Yashin the "real" war started in 2022 and he was just "looking to promote democracy by taking part in municipal politics".
But that's irrelevant if you are from Donbas and your family was forced to leave in 2014. Or if you language and religion are being prosecuted In Crimea.
Kara-Murza went a tired rant about how we sanctions need to be weakened
Pivaovarov stated opposition minded Russians shouldn't donate to the AFU. Imagine dissidents of the Nazi regime (who took part in a prisoner exchange) stated that opposition minded Germans shouldn't be supporting the war effort against Nazi Germany.
Not a Russian political expert, but the fact Putin keeps calling it "denazification" and a "special military operation" leads me to believe there's a lot of people who don't support a full blown war.
Why do you say this?
If 75% of russians support the "denazification" of Ukraine, that says a lot about them, no?
Because if their government won't give them the full story it implies they might not like it.
So you're saying russians genuinely believe that since 2014 they've been "fighting Nazism in Ukraine" and this is not a genocidal imperialist war?
As I mentioned in my OP, you do know that every russian had uncensored youtube within a single click on their smartphone until the last month or so? Btw, the YT app is available in russian and there is a lot of russian language content.
This makes no sense!
Is this a new development? If so could it be due to the Ukrainian incursion? I thought telegram was more popular there for that stuff
I have a slightly different take: I think it’s a positive thing because the sooner we destroy YouTube, the sooner YouTube will be destroyed.
Feels like your priorities might be out of order.
My priorities are thus:
1) Destroy YouTube 2) Everything else
They know what they did.
"YouTube delenda est"
“Fiat justitia, ruat YouTube”
What did they do?
Oh, they know.
this is terrible news for right wing reactionary youtube channels.
Wasn't Russia throttling YouTube bandwidth before hand to prepare for this? Along with banning cell phones for their soldiers, I guess they're going for complete media blackout and control.
Edit: I guess they announced 70% slowdown a couple weeks ago and just went straight to full shutdown.
Banning cell phones for soldiers on the front line has become common since the phone transmissions are used as bombing targets.
However, the blackout of YouTube for the civilian populace is mainly for control purposes, especially as Ukraine is fairly active on YouTube.
damn. how would russians watch unwanted ads now?
AFAIK they didn't have to watch ads since the sanctions took effect, because Google wasn't allowed to monetize them.
Wow. Can't wait for this empire to sanction itself.
Prime, Netflix, Hulu, any news website, pornhub, etc...
Putin's fight against reality continues. Who will be the victor?
Putin is reality.
I'm going to need some more details. Is reality shirtless on a horse?
Yes, and buff AF
Putin, of course!
Thought it has already banned? Thought they had the same view as Chinese government to limited information so they can better brainwash people in Russia with propaganda.
Is this the Russian Government censoring them, or is YouTube just pulling out because the sanctions mean they can't run ads to Russian IPs?
the biggest ISP in Russia, rostelecom, started throttling youtube by 80% last month and is planning a full blocking. It's a curious choice though... even the hardest most Z people are not happy about it.
It is a double-edged sword, because it would leave them blind to certain news without propaganda. Which could have direct and indirect consequences.
there is a browser extension that loads websites without middleman interference, a lot of people are using that. apparently it even unblocks twitter and some other sites.
China is doing pretty okay with it.
China has ten times more people than Russia, they have a big enough market to support a full fledged alternative. Russia does not
Good point
Let's hope this will lead to Putin's support evaporating.
The government claims it's Google's hardware getting outdated. Google says that's bs.
I think that it's convenient how they're telling that to us right before throttling YouTube only with certain providers (and seems to be with only certain regions as well).
YouTube was running like garbage for me in Texas earlier today while everything else was fine. Are they having issues in general?
Hold on! How about Disney?
But seriously, before anyone puts a hole in putins shit basket, can you please ask him how he got the YouTube and Google to stop?
Maybe we could do the same!? We do have Mexico, should we invade Mexico? I'm fine with it, I was born there. I'm sure many others would agree conmigo.
Or maybe it's a secret Mafia connection?
Yoooo peertube in russia?????
Russia has rutube and yandex video ( i think)
They're crap. People will be and are looking for ways to evade restrictions.
Right now, they're only limiting speed with certain providers in certain locations. There are at least three ways that I know of to avoid it.
The thing is, I don't know how far they'll take it. Blocking YouTube is a major political risk. Practically, everybody uses it for one reason or another. So, unlike their "special military operation," this (as mercantile as it sounds) will potentially have a bigger impact on everybody's lives. But you really can never be sure with our mafia-in-charge anymore.
Don't forget VK Video
Thought vk was a twitter/instagram thingy
I thought it was more like Facebook.
They've been branching out into video, even added a dedicated video tab to the main ui
Oh
And I really liked the Russian Youtubers... Nonetheless, it's a different kind of censorship and it might just lead to more propaganda...
Because fuck ‘em, that’s why!
Cant Russians make money from yt due to that Ukraine thing
Not unless you're making videos from abroad.
YouTube doesn't serve ads when viewed from Russia anymore, so there is no revenue from this audience. And you can't take money out from within Russia due to sanctions.
Russian YouTubers are pretty much screwed and have to re-locate. The only other option is earning from product placements.
Oh
That's what you get. Ukraine doesn't have access to YouTube either thanks to the rolling blackouts. So... I guess cry more? Or if you're Russian and reading this, and you want change for your country: realize you are many, they are few, and the few they have aren't currently as strong as they were before your country illegally invaded Ukraine. It won't be easy but maybe you and your brethren can secure a safer future for your children, those children, and all the children you will never meet, by rising up against your oppressors
turkey re(?)banned roblox
Thats good. Who asked them being the "child friendy" BS
I’m going to miss the one Russian I follow. Maybe this will help another alternative platform take its place.
Good.
Why has it been accessible to begin with? $$$
There hasn’t been any monetization since shortly after the invasion started. If I have to guess, Google was just footing the bills so they don’t lose presence to some local player when it’s all over.
I’m actually more curious as to who finally pulled the plug, Google, or the Russian government; and why finally now. Article made it seem like the Russian govt wanted to violate net neutrality and slow down YT’s traffic, but makes no mentioning of which party ultimately took the service down.
It's the russian government. There have been rumors that they are planning to shut down YT for good in the last few months.
Radio Free Europe / Radio Liberty is straight up State department propaganda.
lemmy.ml is straight up lemmygrad / hexbear Tankie propaganda.
I'm sure everything Russia China and NK do WRONG is just *propaganda, too.
Isn't that right .ml user?
Propaganda is usually truthful or exaggerated truth. It's the framing that is important. Some facts are focused on. Some facts are omitted.
I acknowledge that Russia, China and the DPRK have made mistakes and even done things that are deeply questionable. But I'm interested in comparing their mistakes or misguided actions to those of the most powerful military empire on earth. The one involved in hundreds of military actions and dozens of coups since its inception. The one with the largest per capita prison population on earth. The one which controls many of the world's financial levers.
There is a difference in the scale of their mistakes or bad actions. Propaganda distorts that difference of scale. It focuses on the crimes of the "enemies" / "axis of evil" / "rogue states" but doesn't examine context or culpability of the empire. They'll choose one conflict, downplay 9 others, and give a one-sided view of that one conflict.
That's how propaganda works. Every state produces propaganda. One state produces billions of dollars of propaganda each year.
While this is somewhat true (state funded, but with some level of independence), your statement doesn't jive with reality.
I follow RFE/RL in both English and several other languages. Their reporting is far better than many multi-billion dollar private news companies in the West.
And it's not a minor difference either, the western news companies are not even close.
What an absurd response. This is akin to saying RT isn’t Russian state propaganda.
RT and RFE/RF are state media, but there is a difference. The former does not enjoy freedom and the latter does because of its firewall that prevents political interference.
Although the Trump administration tried to remove firewalls and introduce its inference that could have been harmful during that period.
I think you mean it’s designed to prevent partisan interference. RFE/RL’s purpose is to support US foreign policy which makes it inherently political. It is undeniably a propaganda outlet and therefore comparable in function to RT. You may trust American propaganda over Russian propaganda but that doesn’t mean the former is not propaganda.
Just a question, what do you know about RFE/RL?
Do you follow any of their news program series?
Do you speak any other languageslioe Ukrainian, Belarusian or Georgian?
It's just so strange to read how Americans blame Putin for everything almost the rest of the world (demographically speaking) blames their government for.
Obvious Russian troll is obvious.
Come on you can do better than this. You'r not even being entertainingly bad.
You need to improve or else you will fall out of a window.
Sure, champion, your attention saved my life today. Let me get back to my trolling, spying, forced and commie stuff.