I hate how anything without "world" in its name is just about the US

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I hate how anything without "world" in its name is just about the US
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Not on Lemmy. Om Lemmy you're 50% German, 50% American unless proven otherwise.

I assume 70% European 30% whatever else, although that depends on the instance. Of the instance gives any indication I just assume that.

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I have blocked sooooo many german communities and several german instances.

I browse all to get as much new content as possible.

But I have to block a shitload of stuff I am not interested in seeing.

I have filtered out some terms: elon musk and donald trump

SPRICH DEUTSCH DU HURENSOHN

Moerasduits. Is dat goed genoeg?

Nej, jag kan inte Tyska, men om du vill kan vi prata Svenska! (:

jach ki'imak in wΓ³ol yo'osal Google Translate

Ik versta daar dus allebij helemaal niks van. Wel leuk, zo'n internationale draad.

Fel sprΓ₯k Γ€r jag rΓ€dd, fΓΆrsΓΆk igen! (:

Tackar tackar, jag har inte ens duschat!

I took German in highschool, but all that’s left is: Darf ich aufs Klo gehen?

Tja, da verpasst du was...

Just learn German. Just do it

Γ„h, du kan vΓ€l lika gΓ€rna lΓ€ra dig Svenska, det blir enklare fΓΆr oss bΓ₯da! (:

I was thinking of doing that if I actually move to Finland.

Having been to Finland before I know that it's not very useful in everyday situations but it's still useful and way easier to learn than finnish. Especially as I speak German.

There are parts on Finland where Swedish is the primary laguage even over Finnish.

There was a fair amount of French language posts too, not sure how much quality and engagement they have.

Well, then have some proof:

G E K O L O N I S E E R D

Du irrst dich, Brudi - niemand spricht Deutsch hier.

Yo no hablar alemΓ n

Se hablΓ‘s castellano entonces complica, ya que no hablo. Excepto cuando borracho*. AΓΊn asi, no es castellano, es mΓ‘s como portitaΓ±ol...

*de veras, che. Una vodca hoy serΓ­a genial.

Da hast du wohl recht, ich habe noch kein einziges "du hast mich" bis jetzt (Verwenden Sie fΓΌr den zitierten Teil nicht Google Translate)

ich habe noch kein einziges β€œdu hast mich” bis jetzt

Auch weil alles Liebe in Lemmy ist, ja? /witz

das oder neunundneunzig Luftballons 🎈

Alter.. das kann nicht sein

Just like Geilenkirchen.

Ja ech waar, ik maak geen gein

Just like Reddit was back in the day.

I'm Scottish and don't know what the fuck % I am.

I'm guessing 67% German, 22% American at this point.

Haha. Like anyone lives outside the US

Ahh the United States of America. What a fascinating planet.

If I was using a website called "Facebloke" that was well known to have been made and ran in the UK, I'd assume everyone on it was British.

Or the Australian version "Matebook", full with Aussies.

Mate.

We call it Cuntface down here.

To be fair, we call *everyone* Cuntface down here.

I'm ready to discuss maple syrup on HoserLoonieSorryEh

Ah, yes! The 3 billion Americans on Facebook!

And why would you make that assumption? The internet has no borders, so it doesn’t really matter where or by whom something is made. Especially if the language is English, which has somewhere between 1.5 and 2 billion speakers worldwide.

The internet has no borders

Except that it actually does. See: China, North Korea, other fucked up governments that lock down the Internet for their people etc.

β€œFacebloke”

More like Faceberk, amirite?

Yes, I saw that. But it is obviously meant to be an analogy for how Facebook is a website famously made in America by an American.

I don't care where y'all are from as long as you're *not* a dumbass dickhead.

Oh. I'm shit out of luck then.

Well, I also sit in front of a mirror.

Terrible news, guy who just started posting on the Internet

I wonder if a news community with a "no mentioning the US" rule would work. Not out of any hate, just as something arbitrary like "don't use the letter E".

There was one on Reddit that had a rule that no more than 50% of a story could be about the US and if the US was one of two parties they preferred the other point of view.

I've heard it called "US Defaultism" where most Americans online seem to assume that everyone they interact with is from their country and all US news is considered significant even when it really isn't.

I do this sometimes, and I hate when I catch myself doing it.

Imagine if different fonts represented different accents.

𝓗𝓸𝔀 𝓭𝓸 𝔂𝓸𝓾 𝓭𝓸𝓸𝓸𝓸𝓸𝓸𝓸?

I’ve been guilty of that- commenting before checking what community the post was in. Thankfully, I’ve found that most people outside of the US prefer gentle correction. Unfortunately, I doubt the average person from the US would show the same courtesy if the roles were reversed.

I find that it correlates more with education status than nationality... but therefore it surely is more rare among the set of average Americans who have access to the internet than globally.

... the average Westerner also has access to the internet? At most, maybe it excludes those who don't speak English

the default country

Lmao no. God no.

That implies every country started out as the US. Whereas the US is actually one of the youngest countries.

I hear you and am guilty of it myself. I feel like it's due to the anonymous nature of the internet. I think everyone immediately falls into the category of "peer" before putting a touch more thought into who the actual person (bot/ai) is that wrote the reply. Add that to the fact that most Americans see themselves (as a country) as the king of the world.

Maybe you can try typing with an accent, but I think that'd probably just be seen as a racist American.

I'm not even American, I find my thoughts defaulting to this.

...Anything written in English, and you can usually filter that even more by just looking for people using too many U's.

and an aversion to Zees - I mean Zeds!

I think you'll find most of the time the British use precisely the number U's they intend to though typos may afflict even the best.

people using too many U’s

You mean people using British spellings right?

Why whateveur dou you mean?

Lol ngl that's probably how a French accent would look like spelt out XD

Agreed, reading this summoned the SpongeBob narrator in my mind.

I read this like officer crabtree from Allo Allo

One day if we are brave, we will get rid of the U in a lot of British words like color and armor, but by God we will keep the British U in the word glamour!

And when you do use those ⟨U⟩ (I do), people assume that you know what's going on in the UK (I don't.).

What if i use "color", " gouvernment", "dialogue", " humor", "armor", " and "honour"

Self leart second language, so it could be anything.

Finally your edumacashun is compleute, go fourth and enjouy your freedumb! 😜

Im gonna assume youre from the coast of Virginia and are transcribing your accent.

I see you like to keep 'em guessing.

i live in DC and we get tagged for everything world politics.

forgive me for not caring if fvey countries get lumped into uspol.

as a person that came from 3rd world country, i relate T_T

Howdy y'all bros. My name is Todd Bonzalez and I am from one of the great American places foreigners know from your TV shows.

As an American who just wants things organized clearly, I find it annoying too

its just the loudest voices that seem to drive the world.

Maybe you should try posting more often then ;)

Assumed by Americans which is an important detail.

To be honest I also find myself assuming this frequently. And I'm rarely incorrect

Yup, if it's English-language, it's probably American unless otherwise noted

Weird to go into a website based in the States, with a large audience of Americans, all speaking in the American dialect of English primarily about events in US news and politics, and then get mad because it's America-centric.

That's extremely wrong.

I'm from Australia and don't mind engagement with the (mostly) US content.

Let's face it, the US election is the most interesting event on the planet anyway.

also one of the most concerning ones

My favorite answer when internet Nazis asked "How could the Nazis have won?" used to be "Be America."

It's not as funny anymore. They listened.

Stop giving them ideas.

I'm sorry, the rise of American fascism is all my fault :(

I just wish Americans would have a little self awareness when engaging in foreign content.

I was in a comment thread for a video on a report by the ABC about ADEs. Now I will give Americans the benefit of the doubt, we both have ABC networks, but ours clearly says "Australia", the news presenter has a Australian accent, and was talking about the Australian minimum wage, there were references to Centrelink and the Australian government repeatedly. If you watched the video and couldn't tell me what country the video was about, you need to go back to primary school, your media comprehension level is dysfunctional .

I mentioned a clarifying point in the the comments about ADE being different from DES and giving numbers for each (you don't need to know anything about these acronyms), and someone starts arguing with me that when *they* were in the disability program they got xyz and they didn't have to do any of this. I replied saying that these processes have been unchanged for 20 years, I don't know how they're getting what they're getting, they have a unique case. They come back telling me everyone gets that, that's how it is, I need to do my research before I make stuff up. I explain that I work in the sector, I'm looking at the cases software, if they are indeed getting those services through that program, they are the only one of 40,000 people in the program getting that, because that's not how the service works. They tell me 15 million people people use the program. I finally realise what's happening. "there are only 25 million people people in Australia....you're a lost American aren't you?" and sure enough ,they politely reply with "oh yeah, I'm not Australian so I don't know, maybe it's different over there".

And I just can't with that level of American stupidity.

You can came into an Australian forum and assumed I wasn't Australian, assumed I wasn't talking about Australia, then came to the conclusion that "maybe it's different over there" when I had explicitly just informed you that ,yes, the law is different *here*.

Now many times could I have used the acronym DES before the American thought to themselves "maybe this person isn't talking about SSDI".

And this is just the example from the last hour. I end up in a lot of international PD sessions for my work, and something like this is a daily occurrence, only with the Americans.

Canada, you are sadly not excused from this, nor sure why but it's always "okay, where are we all from? "Australia" "Belgium" "Brazil" "Indonesia" "Fort Freedom" "Edmonton"

Those are cities and provinces, clearly the rest of us are doing countries, some of us are big enough that we could name states if we wanted to, but we're being polite, you've got 50 (10+3 πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦ ) of them and we didn't memorise a silly song in school to learn *your* states.

The fact that I know how many states the US has and how many provinces and tertories Canada has, but an American would be stabbing in the dark to guess how many states and territories Australia has, even though our biggest state is 3x bigger than Texas and Australia as a whole is a comparable landmass to the contiguous 48.

And I just can't with that level of American stupidity.

Not just Americans, most people don't read/watch the link

The fact that I know how many states the US has and how many provinces and tertories Canada has, but an American would be stabbing in the dark

Not surprising given our influence on your culture is far greater than the other way, landmass is worthless when it's full of the Outback (a beautiful place for sure)

And you'd be surprised how many of us know it's 6, I bet. Californians get to play with you guys online if we stay up past our bedtimes, after all.

The more fun part is going to be me trying to name them and see if I still can: Queensland, New South Whales, Western? Australia, Northern? Australia, Victoria (you already HAVE ONE NAMED AFTER THE QUEEN THOUGH), Tasmania? Is that one you guys?

This is a good point about cultural export, majority of modern content use American, and the majority of childhood content at least for me was Canadian.

I'm often surprised how little I know of the UK compared to the USA when I think of how much is imported to Australia from the UK ....including my family.

Thank you so much for giving me your guesses at state names, we did make it easy for you with just a bunch of cardinal directions.

You are bang on with 6 states, and almost bang on with their names.

The place you've dubbed "Northern Australia" is the "Northern Territory" and is not a state, the state you are missing is South Australia.

We have two major territories, Northern Territory as mentioned, but then similar to the USA, our national capital is not located within a state.

Our capital city is in "The Australian Capital Territory", or just "the ACT"

We are super creative with the names. Hence why we named 2 after the Queen (then stupidly named the capital city of Victoria "Melbourne" instead of "Batmania", which was totally an option on the table!) but also America can't talk, how many important places have you named after Washington and Columbus?

Tasmania is indeed ours, ours lonely Island state. Not so fun fact, Tasmanian Devils are endangered because they keeps biting each other's faces off and giving each other contagious facial cancer.

There's another internal territory no one really talks about, Jarvis Bay, it was formed mostly so the ACT could have access to a port without needing to use a state's port.

We have 7 external territories, the main ones being the island territories of Norfolk, Cocos, and Christmas Islands.

My stab in the dark is 8. That feels about right

Glad everyone else is enjoying the show at least. Half of us here are terrified we're about to lose the country to maniacal egotists with a penchant for a bit of racism and monarchy.

As a Canadian, we're feeling it too. I'm sure it's not as significant as what you're all feeling.

It's weird having a half deranged megalomaniacal neighbor, where they're fine most of the time then occasionally go completely off the rails.

I've often wondered how concerned ya'll might be. Sorry about the mess. For whatever it is worth, a lot of us are trying to clean it up.

We're hoping that happens, and you don't get stonewalled by idiots. We're cheering for your efforts.

To be fair, we have our own share of problems, including, but not limited to, hardline conservatives pulling similar crap, and even the odd Canadian Trump supporters, which always confused me.

We're coping okay. Hopefully it doesn't get any worse.

Trump supporters outside the us are the absolute weirdest anamoly to me. I barely get why some Americans like him. But seeing avid support for him elsewhere just blows my mind. Good luck though! Rooting for you guys too!

oh god, no

I find a squirrel climbing a tree a more interesting event

Not to worry, I'm sure that there are websites around that cater to your squirrel tastes

To be fair, squirrels are pretty interesting.

Could not disagree more.

It's a pathetic state of affairs that people here care and know more about US politics than our own country's, and I'm personally sick of it.

The SMX "World Championship" just finished. It only takes place in the US.

As someone outside the U.S., what is your default persona for anonymous/pseudonymous users until you know more about them? Just curious. Like, if you don't have any information about them, do you read the words in the voice of a person just like you?

I default to everyone sounding like Macho Man Randy Savage.

I don't read words in any voice other than the naturally subvocalisation that occurs when I'm reading, which is always in my voice.

Even when I read a quote myself Morgan Freeman, I'm hearing my voice, doing a Morgan freeman impression.

But in terms of who I picture? Nothing, people online are not even corporal beings to me until details are revealed. They are still human and have whole lives offline so that's not an excuse to be needlessly rude, but I know nothing of them so why would I randomly invent details unless I'm doing so as a "put myself in their shoes" thought experiment.

But then I have a degree of aphantasia so I'm not "picturing" anything, all I have is words anyway, so it's easy not to add in extra words that change my assumptions about a person.

You mean anything without world in its name?

What? Like the World Series of Baseball?

The name fits, it's just that the only people in the world who give a shit about baseball are from the USA.

Well that's just not true, you should check out the World baseball Classic, it'll open your eyes.

Japan would like a word, but otherwise, fair enough

Puerto Rico and Cuba also love baseball.

Hell, in Cuba standing around arguing about baseball is a recognized profession.

Sorry, anything with or without / everything not ich_iel

There are tons of tankie subs where you can masturbate to false expectations of the planet and openly hate people who you've never met before, check it out!

ironically, tankies usually fall very deep into US defaultism, since everything everywhere is always the fault of the US

Oh yes I forgot I blocked Lemmy.ml, no russian representation

I'm willing to bet that very few people on Lemmy.ml are Russian.

It does make it fun to stir the pot

Tbf it seemed to make more sense for the likes of Reddit, Facebook, etc. Similarly if I go to a Chinese forum I would *not* assume that everyone there was from the USA.

I've heard this more times, and it's kind of baffling. The US isn't even the biggest individual country on Facebook. What do people who assume everyone is from the US think a non-US "forum" looks like? Where do Americans think everybody else hangs out online?

As a US citizen I think we forget how much of our shit gets out.

I’m always surprised when I go abroad and people are up to date with somewhat niche US info. I was in Hong Kong and some local dude made a reference to the fatass NJ gov who was chilling on the closed beach during lockdowns.

I do feel like I see far more people complaining about US people making assumptions than I do US people assuming. When I’m replying to someone I don’t put any thought into where they’re from unless they drop a context clue.

Note: this is just for your understanding, I'm not criticising you.

It's the little things, like using NJ as a short form assuming everyone to know. Hong Kong is arguably more well known globally, but you spelled it out.

The ones in the know often don't see the assumption.

Eh that seems like a major stretch. NJ used above was prefaced with β€œsomewhat niche US info”

I even replaced what the guy said which was Chris Christie with NJ gov because I hardly expected anyone abroad to know him

I feel like if we’re going to start thinking that someone’s putting the ass in assumption just because they used something others might not understand then we’re in trouble

You’d have to kill off any slang or expressions for fear that people might not understand them

This is true. I wonder how often people assume and don't think anything of it because it doesn't even register that they may not be correct.

That said, I once did have a long conversation here with someone who just straight-up refused to believe I'm not American and would not take my word for it. I never quite got why he believed I'd be lying about that, but that person would not be persuaded, and it was one of the most baffling interactions I've had in my life.

NOW, but when Reddit started, and therefore the now infamous subreddit names were first doled out?

I am fairly sure that the rest of the world already existed. And those formats keep being in use in newer places, too. This is not just a Reddit thing. Even you mentioned Facebook, which was instantly popular globally.

I am fairly sure that the rest of the world already existed.

No way - at least not back then! Source: am American, and therefore entirely confident that no other nations existed prior to my hearing about them (Christopher Columbus told me so! πŸ˜›). And maybe even then... which reminds me, are you so sure that *you* are real? Maybe you too are in America and just forgot? 🫠

Also, just so we are clear, "American" = "USAian", definitely no other nations exist on the American continent, nope, no way! (Except Canada and Mexico, and they get a pass as wannabe USA states) 😜

instantly popular globally

There are 8 billion people on this planet, nothing happens instantly.

Facebook took a long time to spread around the globe. Same for reddit, this is a quote from the Wikipedia article:

As of August 2024, Reddit is the 9th most-visited website in the world. According to data provided by Similarweb, 51.75% of the website traffic comes from the United States, followed by the United Kingdom at 7.15% and Canada at 7.09%.[6]

More than two thirds of reddit traffic still comes from Anglophone countries to this day, and that percentage was surely much higher back in the early days.

I think you're severely overestimating how many people from other countries actually use Western social media. Between the language barrier and the technology barrier, most people on this planet simply don't have any opportunity or desire to use a site like Reddit or Lemmy. Facebook has slowly but steadily made global inroads, but by the time it got popular in non-western countries, Americans had largely moved on.

... I am a non-anglophone who, at the time of Facebook's raise to social media dominance lived in multiple non-anglophone countries. I was there.

In one of the places I lived there was briefly a popular local Facebook alternative. It lasted maybe a couple of years before entirely capitulating and getting absorbed. That place does still have a local Reddit-like alternative, and Reddit is certainly more US-centric. You are right that Facebook stayed popular much longer outside the US. It has started falling off in some of those places, but I did keep a Facebook account for work purposes for a lot longer than you'd expect because work relations in those territories would share Facebook credentials as a way to establish professional contact. Twitter may as well have been a lost ancient civilization, though.

There's also a lot to unpack in the assumption that on a thread about "why do Americans default to assuming everyone is from the US" you're reflexively lumping the entire anglosphere as part of the US, but honestly, I'll let the recently annexed English-speaking countries deal with that one on their own.

Given how many people choose to speak their native language in the US (myself included), I guess they assume they post to forums that are in their language.

So like Facebook and Reddit? Social media isn't in English specifically. People who speak other languages often post in their native language for some things and in the lingua franca for more international conversations. The Internet is the Internet regardless.

This is lemmy.world, you would have to join lemmy.{country} for lands beyond the fruited plains and purple mountains majesty.

Well Al Gore invented the internet so the internet is more a.USA thing 🀣🀣

Heavily inspired by the french Minitel but yes

Heavily inspired by the Sumerian cuneiform but yes

Minitel launched in 1982, well after work had begun on interconnections between different computer networks, using the predecessor protocols to TCP/IP and what would become the addressing/domain name system. Minitel launched on protocols that were ultimately incompatible with the rest of the Internet, and didn't have an easy way to actually get joined in.

Minitel was more of an alternative internet than it was the inspiration for the migration of the internet to becoming a HTTP/www-centered network.

To be fair, the US has the largest number of English-speakers of any country in the world. As a first language, it has five times as many native English speakers as second place (the UK). It also has one of the highest Internet penetration rates in the world, meaning most of those English-speakers are also Internet users.

The US is a single country that is three-quarters the population of the entire European Union, and nearly all of its inhabitants speak English and use the Internet. So yes, if you pick a random user on an English social media page, odds are very good that person is an American. If you were to guess any random English-speaking Internet user's nationality, "American" is the best possible guess. But go on a Spanish language forum or a French language forum and nobody will assume you're American.

Consequently, Americans generate the majority or large plurality of English-language Internet content.

Edit: Please stop replying with "English is a lingua franca for non-native English speakers". I never made the claim that someone who uses English on the Internet is likely a native English speaker. I am claiming the *converse*β€”that people who natively speak English are likely to use English on the Internet.

I’m sorry but this is nonsense. I’m in a lot of online communities where everyone uses English, despite it being nearly nobody’s first language. It just happens to be the only language that everyone there knows. Language is no indication of nationality, especially online.

And to be honest, in those places the assumption is usually that everyone is European, which I can imagine is just as annoying for the stray American.

I think you misunderstand.

What I am saying is that of all Internet users that use English, Americans are by far the largest group due to it being a very large country, (third most populous in the world) with a high Internet penetration (97%), and whose residents speak English as their main language (78.3%).

But I would argue that the rest of the world also uses primarily English online. And just by virtue of being the rest of the world, outnumbers the Americans.

In other words, of all Internet users that use English, the vast majority is likely not American.

Of course I don’t have data to back this up, except anecdotally.

What I am saying is that of all Internet users that use English, Americans are by far the largest group

No, they didn't misunderstand. It is you who are massively misunderstanding. You are suffering from the erronous assumption that people who speak English on the internet are native English speakers when that it is not so at all. People speak English on the internet because it is the largest commonly understood language. So people from non-English speaking countries are using it as well. And there are a heck of a lot more non-native English speakers in the world than native English speakers.

So you are most likely at any time on the internet to be speaking to a non-native English speaker, and thus definitely not an American.

I did not claim the people who use English on the Internet are likely native English speakers.

I made the converse claimβ€”that people whose native language is English are likely to use English on the Internet.

This list puts US at ~297m English speakers which is the largest group from one single country, that is true. But 297m / 1,537m = The US has 19.35% of English speakers globally.

You are likely also greatly underestimating current internet connectivity, older smartphones have changed things for poorer countries a lot over the past decade. For example, India has only 62.6% of people as internet users - but that's still 880m people and probably most of their 125m English speakers. Nigeria has 63.8% internet users, but that's 136m internet users. And they also have 125m English speakers, who again, are more likely to be the people who can afford an English education, and also a smartphone. And then there's Pakistan with another 100m English speakers and 70.8% internet users, etc.

Just 3 countries, (2 of which were 1 country 80 years ago) and you're close to that 300 million count already.

The list also gives US as 92.4% internet users, for what it's worth. A little less than 97% and not even in the top 20 countries by percentage, which is surprising.

The internet is less American than ever. It's just that most non-American people probably have non-English language spaces they can choose to gather in addition to the English-dominated spaces. Americans, on the other hand, are more likely to be monolingual English speakers and so they concentrate in the English-dominated spaces.

And non-Americans are all so used to people assuming American defaultism in English-dominated internet spaces because it *was* historically hugely expensive to get online and *was* overwhelmingly American English-speaking, that it's not even worth correcting when it happens the millionth time.

I've also put non-metric and US currency conversions in posts online many times. Not because I'm American or use them in daily life. It was just less annoying to convert them when writing rather than hear the inevitable multiple complaints about not understanding things in meters and dessicated jokes like "that's probably $2 in real money".

You're either overestimating the accuracy of your assumptions about your online interactions and/or seeing selection bias from your immersion in otherwise culturally isolated spaces.

Americans generate the majority of English-language Internet content.

Doubt.

There are 1.3 billion people who use English on the internet as a first or second language.

Not all Internet users generate the same amount of content. In addition to Americans being proud blabbermouths in general, people from wealthy countries generate more content than those from poorer countries. The US is among the wealthiest countries in the world.

Although it is not the most representative, nearly half of all Reddit users are American. American media outlets have immense global reach. You can probably name four or five American media outlets just off the top of your head, even if you're not American. The USA's geopolitical power means people are always talking about American politics or what America's leaders are doing, which draws engagement from Americans like a lamp draws moths. 7 out of the top 10 English-language YouTube channels are American (fully or partially).

It's pretty much impossible to prove, but I think the claim that Americans generate most of the content on the Internet is likely true or very close to true.

It's even more convincing if you exclude English Internet users from India, as a quick visit to any forum dominated by Indian users will cause you to quickly realise that the language used there is not really English but a mix of English and Hindi which is not comprehensible to non-Indians.

Again, the numbers you linked shows that you are more likely to speak to a non-American on reddit than an American. Your entire premise is flawed from the beginning.

The more egalitarian principle would be to not assume. I won't deny that. People from more minority locales have every right to be upset at being marginalized.

But at the same time, whenever I read passive aggressive comments on socials from residents of crown countries or from EAASL people around the world bitching about US defaultism as if people are doing it just to be ignorant dicks, I can only think to myself, "Uhh, hello? What do you think the demographics of this space were? What did you expect?"

Americans are hardly the majority of the world's English speakers, but for all the reasons you listed, they tend to remain a massive plurality, if not an outright overwhelming majority, of any mainstream online English language platform. No, that's not a license to perpetuate US defaultism. But like... read the room, people. Your good fight is far more uphill than you seem to think it is.

Consequently, Americans generate the majority of English-language Internet content.

False. Yes, it is larger than any other individual English speaking group but accounts for less than a fifth of the total English speakers.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_English-speaking_population

I wouldn’t have guessed Nigeria is the third largest English speaking group.

This point was plainly addressed. Read carefully before going in guns-blazing.

Do you think Nigerians use the Internet as much as Americans?

β€œGoing in guns-blazing”, lol, some Americans…

Again, you are completely missing the point of the internet and English usage on it. People are using English as a lingua franca. There are a lot more non-native English speakers on the internet than native English speakers.

So no, odds are not that it is an American you are speaking to, just because that person speaks English. You are literally regurgitating the fallacy that OP is about.

lingua franca

I love that the real *lingua franca*, a term from both Latin and Greek roots, literally meaning the language of the Franks (French) is English. Plus, also, fuck you Esperanto!

We should really be counting English literate people, since nobody here is talking, and literacy is more reading/writing.

Literacy is pretty broad too. It doesn't imply that it's your native language, nor if you can speak the language (whether you can do that very well or not).

Literacy is going to be a bonefide requirement for most of the internet, with some exceptions, like text to speech and speech recognition stuff, people with disabilities who may not be able to see properly or at all.... Stuff like that.

FYI

According to Wikipedia the percentage of English speakers located in the US is lower that 20%. Does this mean that only 1 in 5 users is from the US?

Population of the US: 334.914.895, Population of Europe: 745.173.774. 334.914.895/745.173.774 = 0,449%

English Speakers in the US: 297.400.000. English Speakers in Europe: 260.000.000. So you have about 37,4M more English speakers in the US than in Europe.

The average American uses *only* English language forums.

The average European who speaks English will probably spend some portion of their time using whatever their native language is.

The average English speaker in Africa is not as likely to have an Internet connection.

The average English speaker in China is likely to not be able to access English social media sites (great firewall).

Many English-speakers in India post online in a mix of English and Hindi that non-Indians find difficult to comprehend.

You're correct that the claim that the US is ΒΎ the population of Europe is erroneous. But it *is* ΒΎ the population of the EU. I've corrected this.

I admire your determination to bend your perception of facts to fit your narrative.
- Russia, Kanada, Australia, South America? Apparently they ceased to exist.
- Africa? They still live in mud and abject poverty. There is no electricity nor Internet.
- China? They're 100% locked in. (No bots no nothing.)
- Indians can't write proper English (a bit rich coming from an USAmerican)

Surely you have a bit more thinking power than *that*. If you gave each of your bullet points a mere five seconds each of critical thought, you wouldn't have made this ridiculous comment.

Those countries you mentioned? Of course there are people living in them. But there aren't as many English-speakers as in America. I didn't say *all*, I say *most* (this will be a recurring theme).

With the exception of southern Africa (76%), the rest of Africa has Internet penetration rates below 50%. As low as 27% in east Africa. Remember, I didn't say *all*, I said *most*.

China's great firewall prevents most people from accessing the outside Internet, and many Chinese people don't care to. I know this, *because I'm fucking Chinese*. Is it possible to circumvent? Sure, if you're willing to play VPN whack-a-mole with the CCP or are lucky enough to be the 1% of China that lives in Hong Kong or Macau. But again, I said *most*, I didn't say *all*.

You also clearly have never been on any forums populated by Indian users if you think that I'm only saying Indians use unintelligible English on the Internet because I'm racist. They code-switch between English and Hindi. If you don't know Hindi, you won't understand it. Are all posts like this? Of course not. But a great deal are. I never said *all*, I said *most*.

Here are random top comments from the top posts of Reddit's r/Indiasocial that show what I'm talking about:

Kal bolne ja rha Hu usko . Want to get it over it once and for all been bugging me since some time .
No boldiya toh sahi hai Padhai kar lunga .

Kassh bta pata mummy ko apni sab problems. Bta bii nhi pata kyuki woh chinta karengii

OP ke AAnde jalwa diye

Folks, look what I found during cleaning today😭πŸ₯ΊπŸ₯Ή

I am so happy that my mom has still kept all of stuff in the store room. Woh bhi kya din theπŸ₯ΉπŸ₯Ή

Bhai hamare side ke Ghar mein kirayedar rehte Hain. To un baccho kii ball hamari chat ya backyard mein aa jati thi aur mere ek Purina badi wali thaili bharke balls bahut variety Hain par mummy nikalne NAHI deti.

Time to leave this sub. Har dusara post my gf/bf made this, i went for date, gift given by my bf/gf. Had hai

And also, I don't use American English. I live in America but I am a Hongkonger and use British English.

They code-switch between English and Hindi. If you don’t know Hindi, you won’t understand it. Are all posts like this? Of course not.

You're so close. Let me give you another hint: What do you think every other regional sub looks like? (I speak multiple languages, so I've been to multiple regionals - including in Languages I don't really speak)

Also, yes it is a bit racist to assume that Indians are only able to converse in an Hindi/English mix and unable to converse in proper English. On top of that it is a bit stupid to assume all of India speaks Hindi - e.g. most of Bengalurians speak Kannada.

But there aren’t as many English-speakers as in America. I didn’t say all, I say most (this will be a recurring theme).

You're correct. It's a recurring theme. You have been made aware by multiple people now that you over-inflate the percentage of USAmericans among the users of English-speaking forums and that you have been incredibly ignorant about it.

I think none will dispute that US located users are in the majority - the majority is however not as big as you make it out to be. (and your reasoning is - for lack of a better term - atrocious)

I mean, we did invent this cursed network. It's our job to ruin it.

One day, we will shitpost our way to freedom

I completely understand the sentiment.

I also understand the sentiment that the internet is effectively a US invention dating back at least to ARPAnet.

I guess what I'm suggesting is: can't we all just get along? At least we can now all communicate with each other.

We are trying to get along. We are already speaking English, which is a massive step in your direction. US commenters and posters don't even bother to convert to kilometres or something. Or the worst: write about something that happened in AK as if everyone knows postal shortages of the US.

The crazy irony is that those from outside the US probably know way more than those in the US, in terms of stories about Alaska.

No hate here. There will be ups and downs.

At the end of the day, I'm happy to communicate with you.

Don't ever talk about kilometres in here. Are you trying to spark an international incident?

FWIW ich habe Deustch gelernt. Aber ich habe die meistens vergessen πŸ˜”

Dein Deutsch klingt richtig gut πŸ˜„

Danke schon πŸ™ƒ

If it makes it any better youre more likely to get an American who can convert Miles into Leagues before they even think about kilometers. We dont really use metric for anything, unless youre military or something.

I also understand the sentiment that the internet is effectively a US invention dating back at least to ARPAnet.

Yeah, but this is a website. Sir Tim Berners-Lee represent!

Plus also, English is an English invention.

But otherwise, you're good.

The World Wide Web is not an American invention. Who invented what is completely irrelevant in this context anyway though.

Don't be so self-involved.
Try visit China for once and you will get sick of the word "China", it's literally in everything there :), like communist party's intelligence service :)

The thing is we are not talking about visiting countries. We are talking about the virtual World Wide Web.

The "World" wide web not USA wide web

I mean the us dwarfs other english speaking countries

Tons of people speak English as a second language, on the internet

Your comment is very typical of that (fallacious) US centrism. People write in English on the internet because that is the universal language. There are far more secondary English speakers on the internet than primary English speakers.

because that is the universal language

*grince des dents*
because it is the international language of this days and time.

Le français était à un moment donné, hein

Yeah XD Now english is the *lingua franca*

Yeah like India

135 million english speakers is less than 300 million

Mr Blott really really *really* likes to denigrate Americans. Don't rain on his parade

What on Earth are you on about? "denigrate Americans". They are pointing out facts. That you apparently are so fragile that you consider that denigration is entirely on yourself.

I think you owe me an apology. It took me a while to copy paste all that senseless vitriol and you won't even acknowledge your mistake. Disappointing.

Look at their comment history. They can't go two days without getting in a dig at Americans. Even when it's completely irrelevant and off topic. I'm just pointing out that this person has a bone to pick and not to take it personally.

The funny part is that they're often completely wrong when they try to talk shit. Like here, thinking that India having a larger population than the US is some kind of gotcha moment, despite less than 10% of that population speaking English.

I'll just transcribe a few lovely comments from our good friend Mr Blott.

Glock pistols popular in US because of the proliferation of fucking cowards

Scared of their own fucking shadows, those pussies

What’s the difference between a cow and 9/11

You’d stop milking a cow after 23 years

Seems a bit unnecessary when you could just dress the ivy up like schoolkids and the yanks would wipe it out in a week

German

I’m guessing a yank whose great great great great great great grandfather once wiped his cock on a strudel

They’re using American weapons, they should just aim for schools

Holy fuck, yanks are weird

God I’d hate to have such poor reading comprehension. You’d last about a minute in UK based communities lol

You’re not out of the dark ages, you quivering shitebag lol

You mean prison slavery? That’s the US, get on it lol

Did it come out of the States?

If so, guaranteed utter fucking horseshit

You can punch your hand through your plasterboard mate lol

You can always spot an American because they’re so fuckin scared of everything. Look, this one’s scared of his own shite πŸ˜‚

Of course!

Just lose the -

  • Guns
  • Tiny-penis trucks
  • the "right" to hate-speech
  • the religious weirdo thing

And you'll be getting close to the 20th century!

Know how yous get upset when people say β€œAmericans are stupid”

Literally a third of you have demonstrated that you’d eat gravel if someone said it’d cure immigrants

A third. So lets just say only half of the other two thirds are stupid

That’s quite a few. Almost a quarter pounder

Yous cunts are greedy to the point of being fuckin EVIL

That’s just… evil, taking money from poor folk and their kids

How are yous letting evil cunts do this to your fellow citizens? How are you not fucking getting the flaming torches out?

Selfish fucking cunts, the lot of you. Stand up for not just yourselves, for all of yous

The bot is only β€œspreading misinformation” to people who are too stupid to realise that β€œleft” and β€œright” mean politically different things in different countries

Mostly the yanks

I feel really sorry for this guy

What kind of unhinged parents call their kid Tyreek?

This is just from the past few weeks lmao. This dude has issues.

Surprised at a yank using the word "denigrate" without clutching their pearls at the etymology of it lol

If any instance uses anything akin to cloudflare, Google, a cloud provider or a CDN then this question makes no sense because it's "hosted" all over the world.

Not that it ever made any sense because why would it matter where a website is hosted if it's equally accessible globally? It's not like you have to type a longer URL to hit it from Europe lmfao, and It's not like the internet is some sort of local US thing where you have to hear about it by word of mouth.

The word world is literally in the name… When I joined lemmy I started there because I assumed it would be a general instance. It’s like worldnews where 90% of posts are US politics. Also, it’s not an obsession, most times it comes up it’s just a joke (like this meme).

Lemmy.dbzer0.com lemmy.blahaj.zone discuss.tchncs.de sopuli.xyz infosec.pub lemmy.ml midwest.social slrpnk.net mander.xyz are all not hosted in USA(according to fedidb.org)

Also, why would it matter in what country an instance is hosted in? I cant just assume everyone on midwest.social is german because the instance is hosted in germany

It's hosted in Finland, by a German company, and has Dutch admins. Was that your point?

Edit: bonus, the Lemmy devs get paid from a Dutch grant and the ones whose nationality I know are not from the US

Many websites that are international are hosted in only one country.

Aren't the majority of English speakers from the US?

EDIT: The USA has 3x the population of the UK and Australia combined and the USA appears to be the home of approx 60% of native English speakers. However there are billions of speakers if you include it as a 2nd language. Which Americans don't speak 2nd languages so we obviously don't count that.

I'd just like to mention that plenty of ESL users speak English more than their native, and that the country with the most people who use English for interacting with the Internet, it's probably India. Indians communicate to a lot of their compatriots in English, since they are also an ex-British colony, and have a large variety of native languages.

What's your definition of first/second language if you grow up bilingual?

The majority of English speakers aren't from the US, though the US does have the most English speakers. Important distinction to make!

No, it's roughly 20% (297M/1537M). Source.

English (excl. creole languages) l1 380 million l2 1.135 billion total 1.515 billion

Nah its 50/50, either you're a USA English speaker or you're not

I speak American, boy.

(Kratos voice)

That sounds like America's problem. Big portion of western eu, especially non-boomer and non-french, comprehend English very well, so I dunno why you'd just dismiss it in a post about us-defaultism when almost everything is text based

This is why:

The US has more allocated IPv4 addresses and more users per allocated IPv4 address than any other country, by wide margins - and IPv6 adoption is not that widespread yet. It is entirely rational to assume that an English-speaking person on the Internet is from the US, given no other information.

reference

Nope https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_Internet_users

Strangely enough English is spoken in countries other than the US and even more use it as a lingua franca.

It is interesting you think IPv6 is not widespreaad https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html

*Of course* English is spoken in other countries, and other countries have high numbers of internet users, but it does not follow that English is a commonly used language for internet users in other countries. Most Chinese are probably speaking Chinese, most Indians are probably speaking Hindi.

The IPv6 graph you linked shows that adoption is still less than 50%, and I'm not clear on their methodology... does "users that access Google" mean users with Google accounts? or individual users that use google.com? or does it include all of their cloud services? do web servers linking content from Google Ads count? does this data represent mostly end users, or also infrastructure connections?

When non-native English speakers are navigating in a non-national internet setting we use English. I have gathered from the many American comments in this thread, that that fact is apparently incredibly difficult for Americans to gauge. Nevertheless, it is a fact.

2016 is a little far, isn't it?

I hate to say it, but, these things don't change a lot, or quickly.

IP blocks, or "large groups of IP addresses" are assigned to regional internet registries, or RIRs which then hand them out from there. There's a couple RIRs. I think five in total? ARIN covers North America, and has, by far, the most IP addresses given out.

There's also RIPE, in Europe, APNIC, for Asia and the Pacific areas, including China and Australia, AfriNIC, which is basically all of Africa... If that wasn't obvious. And lacnic, which is South America.

Large IP blocks can, but rarely ever do, get transferred between RIRs.

But wait, it gets more complicated. IP addresses allocated in one region could be used anywhere in the world. The vast majority are not, and it's important to note that because of global routing, you can't have a block smaller than 256 addresses allocated in the default free zone (DFZ). The DFZ is the part of the internet that doesn't have a "default gateway". All routes are advertised, and by those advertisements are learned by others. The routers in the DFZ only have so much memory, and there was a crisis a while ago when the memory of most of the routers in the DFZ were dangerously close to being full.... That was around when ipv6 was first switched on. The routing memory is extremely fast, because it needs to be. Looking up a route in a table with a million+ entries takes time, but that time needs to be so short that latency is effectively mitigated. So that memory is some of the fastest used in tech at times, notwithstanding newer technologies.

I'm off topic. Anyways, my point is, ARIN is big. They have a lot of IPs. However allocation doesn't and shouldn't imply usage. A large number of addresses are allocated for US military use that are basically unseen in the internet. There's a few infamous /8 blocks of around 16.7 million addresses that don't get advertised and can't be used by anyone besides the US military. I forget which branch of military owns it. They've owned it since the internet started giving out allocations (more or less) and today one of those /8 blocks is worth billions, with a cost of about $50 per IP.

So yeah, the US has a lot of IP allocation, they also have a large amount of unused IP addresses.

I would love to see a more recent source if you have one.

Regardless, possession of IP addresses doesn't change all that much. In the early days a company could buy an entire Class A (1.X.X.X) address space comprising 16million+ addresses for their private use. There are still many companies holding large blocks of addresses, and most of those companies are in the US, and they don't just give up those addresses.

The point being, there's significant resistance to redistributing addresses once they've been allocated. They don't change hands terribly often (and keep in mind we're talking about actual internet addresses, not local network addresses that are being dynamically assigned and NATed across router domains).

No, they highlight some problems with IP4: Bad distribution of IP4 ranges and bad usage of those ranges. So the graphs show the US has way too much IP actresses, some under used/unused and some overused. The blog post they are from is pretty clear about this.

These graphs do not give an indication of how many users per country there are. There are in fact statistics on that which expectedly show China and India on top. These however do not take into account that social media use way more popular in the U.S. for now.

The closest stat may be Reddit users by country which seems to indicate that about every 2nd user is from the US. (Not sure if Russian/Chinese bot accounts also count towards these though).

These graphs do not give an indication of how many users per country there are. There are in fact statistics on that which expectedly show China and India on top.

Well sure, but people from those countries are far less likely to be speaking English, which is why I said:

It is entirely rational to assume that an English-speaking person on the Internet is from the US, given no other information.

The prevalence of internet use in countries with primary languages other than English has no bearing on this statement.

The point of using the IP address statistics is to show that the vast majority of websites on the Internet were created in the US for the US market, and that is still true today.

On a side note, the distribution of addresses is unbalanced but it isn't "bad". It is a consequence of a system growing over time. Communications infrastructure cannot pop into existence everywhere all at once, and realistically not many people outside the US had any interest in the internet in 1983.

Sorry, are you trying to prove beyond a doubt that you are dishonest and statistics-illiterate?

which is why I said:

It is entirely rational to assume that an English-speaking person on the Internet is from the US, given no other information.

No, you wrote:

**The US has more allocated IPv4 addresses and more users per allocated IPv4 address than any other country, by wide margins **- and IPv6 adoption is not that widespread yet. It is entirely rational to assume that an English-speaking person on the Internet is from the US, given no other information.

So your assumption is based on a gross misinterpretation of the statistics you presented. Your incorrect interpretation of the graphs would put US participation at about 99,99%, which is obviously ridiculous.

Also according to Wikipedia the percentage of English speakers located in the US is lower that 20%. Does this mean that only 1 in 5 users is from the US?

The point of using the IP address statistics is to show that the vast majority of websites on the Internet were created in the US for the US market, and that is still true today.

That's not at all what these graphs show though.

Also, while I agree that most websites might be US targeted towards the US calling that 'vast' is bit of a stretch.

... and realistically not many people outside the US had any interest in the internet in 1983.

I gather you've not been around then. Almost none had any interest in "the internet" until the mid 90s - this includes the US. Partly because what you refer to as "the internet" was called WWW back then and started only 1989. People had been very anal about this until about 2005 - I guess you haven't been around then either.

That would be 3 addresses per US citizen. You have some whales like MS in there, just because your companies can grow dangerously big.

network invented in America
look inside
Americans

How could this have happened?

This meme is essentially Al-Qaeda's motive for doing 9/11.